eurospec 272 cam installed and reviewed, please check this thread out
04-28-2004, 04:02 PM
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eurospec 272 cam installed and reviewed, please check this thread out
hi people, thanks for all your helps about my 6 long questions last time (all about changing camshaft) (for people that want to see some answers about the 6 qs, just search for 95a90
anyway. today I got my car back from the mechanic, I waited 1hr for him to do test drive before I drove it home. man, I kept on thinking where is he and did the cam sprocket came off the new 272 cam on highway, and blew the engine. man , I was waiting in a very frightened way. But he came back fine. The mechanic has 18yr of exp on audi/vw, but I was still scared.
Anyhoo, I drove it home on highway, boy! was the car different, it's really until today do I know what difference a different cam can make. People claims engine may run rough, but the only difference I felt is the engine vibrate a little stronger during idle than before. And the pick up is different, during full throttle, oem cam 0-2500 rpm is weak, then pick up hard during 3000-3500 rpm then lose the power after 4000rpm.
the eurospec cam, 0-3500 you feel a steady climb (not too strong, but doesn't feel like the engine is struggling to suck air to breathe like with oem cam, it's a bit smoother than oem cam 0-2500 feeling) but once you hit 4000rpm, the car just climb hard, I mean harder than the feeling you have with oem cam from 3000-3500, and that feeling last till 6000 rpm, a much broader and stronger power band. and even when I am in 4th gear, the post 4000rpm climb can still be felt.
I like the new power curve of the car, I think what you gain from switching cam is a rather diff. curve. the broader and stronger power band in the high rpm range make you feel good. and I also monitor the gas consumption during my return trip. Becoz the engine only run "HARD" in post 4000rpm region, that makes the under 3500 gas-burning brutal torqur a history, I live in new york, and normally a return trip in a stop and go traffic REALLY BURNINGS FUEL, NOW, I SEE BETTER GAS-MILAGE TOO. don't see much diff. in my gas gauge after I get home compare to the PAST.
anyway, this is my very honest review and I will post all the materials, parts and ways to get them in some pretty good price in my next post. (also all the answer to my original 6 questions)
anyway. today I got my car back from the mechanic, I waited 1hr for him to do test drive before I drove it home. man, I kept on thinking where is he and did the cam sprocket came off the new 272 cam on highway, and blew the engine. man , I was waiting in a very frightened way. But he came back fine. The mechanic has 18yr of exp on audi/vw, but I was still scared.
Anyhoo, I drove it home on highway, boy! was the car different, it's really until today do I know what difference a different cam can make. People claims engine may run rough, but the only difference I felt is the engine vibrate a little stronger during idle than before. And the pick up is different, during full throttle, oem cam 0-2500 rpm is weak, then pick up hard during 3000-3500 rpm then lose the power after 4000rpm.
the eurospec cam, 0-3500 you feel a steady climb (not too strong, but doesn't feel like the engine is struggling to suck air to breathe like with oem cam, it's a bit smoother than oem cam 0-2500 feeling) but once you hit 4000rpm, the car just climb hard, I mean harder than the feeling you have with oem cam from 3000-3500, and that feeling last till 6000 rpm, a much broader and stronger power band. and even when I am in 4th gear, the post 4000rpm climb can still be felt.
I like the new power curve of the car, I think what you gain from switching cam is a rather diff. curve. the broader and stronger power band in the high rpm range make you feel good. and I also monitor the gas consumption during my return trip. Becoz the engine only run "HARD" in post 4000rpm region, that makes the under 3500 gas-burning brutal torqur a history, I live in new york, and normally a return trip in a stop and go traffic REALLY BURNINGS FUEL, NOW, I SEE BETTER GAS-MILAGE TOO. don't see much diff. in my gas gauge after I get home compare to the PAST.
anyway, this is my very honest review and I will post all the materials, parts and ways to get them in some pretty good price in my next post. (also all the answer to my original 6 questions)
04-28-2004, 04:14 PM
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Wow! Great review. Now I'm thinking maybe I should have get the 272 cams...
I got the '93 90 cams (AAC motor) but maybe I should just do the 272 cams and be done with it? Ah... I've got a little time to decide. But I'm glad that you're happy with those cams! And I'm glad that the idle isn't too lopey either!
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04-28-2004, 05:05 PM
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the idle is the thing that always worried me about the 272 cams...
but it doesn't idle too bad at all eh? I've heard people compare it to the idle of a muscle car... kinda a low stumble... what do you think?
Good write up though! Can't wait for the next post with nitty gritty details.
Good write up though! Can't wait for the next post with nitty gritty details.
04-28-2004, 05:13 PM
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eurospec 272 cam installed and reviewed, please check this thread out (part II)
some quick thoughts about Jretal's Q
1. I think the property of idle depends on who's doing the job and how careful the person did the job! I think most people had rough idle probably didn't align the sprocket to the new cam properly, and the no. of teeth of the timing belt is not exact as the original configuration, or maybe they didn't change into new hydraulic lifter, not sure, but to me, my idle is very acceptable (I was a bitch, telling the mech how to mark things, I will explain in part III)
2. Answer to cknyoc: I live in manhattan new york
1. I think the property of idle depends on who's doing the job and how careful the person did the job! I think most people had rough idle probably didn't align the sprocket to the new cam properly, and the no. of teeth of the timing belt is not exact as the original configuration, or maybe they didn't change into new hydraulic lifter, not sure, but to me, my idle is very acceptable (I was a bitch, telling the mech how to mark things, I will explain in part III)
2. Answer to cknyoc: I live in manhattan new york
04-28-2004, 05:31 PM
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eurospec 272 cam installed and reviewed, please check this thread out (part III)
where I ordered my parts
http://autox.biz/index.htm
for
hydraulic lifters x12
valve cover gaskets x2
t belt x1
t belt tensioner pulley x1
t belt idler pulley x1
water pump (gasket included) x1
serpent belt update kit (belt and new tensioner included) x1
camshaft holder x1
crankshaft holder x1
http://www.carpartstogo.com/
for
thermostat x1
cam seals x4
crank seal (front one) x1
AND MOST IMPORTANT THING
THE EUROSPEC 272 CAMSHAFTS X2
GO TO http://www.eurospecsport.com/eurocat.html
click on straight to the catalogue
search for v6 2v and you will end up with bunch of choice, there are 3 different sets of cams (262, 264, 272)for hydraulic lifter and 2 defferent sets for mechanical lifter(which can't be done until someone can find where to get mech lifter and tons of guts (haven't heard anyone did any mech lifter with crazy cam yet))
272 cam's part no is ECH 109 3423
then find the closet dealer to you here
http://www.eurospecsport.com/buyingguide.html
"DON'T CALL EUROSPEC HEADQUARTER" COZ THEY DON'T DO SALES TO INDIVIDUALS, BUY IT THRU THEIR DEALERS!
there will be part IV for more technical answer about what you should tell your mech!
http://autox.biz/index.htm
for
hydraulic lifters x12
valve cover gaskets x2
t belt x1
t belt tensioner pulley x1
t belt idler pulley x1
water pump (gasket included) x1
serpent belt update kit (belt and new tensioner included) x1
camshaft holder x1
crankshaft holder x1
http://www.carpartstogo.com/
for
thermostat x1
cam seals x4
crank seal (front one) x1
AND MOST IMPORTANT THING
THE EUROSPEC 272 CAMSHAFTS X2
GO TO http://www.eurospecsport.com/eurocat.html
click on straight to the catalogue
search for v6 2v and you will end up with bunch of choice, there are 3 different sets of cams (262, 264, 272)for hydraulic lifter and 2 defferent sets for mechanical lifter(which can't be done until someone can find where to get mech lifter and tons of guts (haven't heard anyone did any mech lifter with crazy cam yet))
272 cam's part no is ECH 109 3423
then find the closet dealer to you here
http://www.eurospecsport.com/buyingguide.html
"DON'T CALL EUROSPEC HEADQUARTER" COZ THEY DON'T DO SALES TO INDIVIDUALS, BUY IT THRU THEIR DEALERS!
there will be part IV for more technical answer about what you should tell your mech!
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eurospec 272 cam installed and reviewed, please check this thread out (part IV)
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/73859/1.jpg"></center><p>
check out the pics to get some idea, pic 1 is probably the most important piece, esp certain rotating stuff gets 2 color marking to prevent you mis-relate them when you are switching camshafts! when new cams in , sprockets back on and the butterfly thing is 180 degree wrong, you will be the sorry-est *** in the world, why? becoz if you are 180 degree wrong, when you turn cams to lock with cam-tool again, even if the teeth no of t-belt is right, the moment you start your engine, it's probably bye bye time!
then the pic 2 is serpent belt update
http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/73859/2.jpg
pic 3 is about refilling the coolant (bleed it right)
http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/73859/3.jpg
these 3 pic are originally from www.12v.org, but I put some vital info on them for guys want to attempt this mod
check out the pics to get some idea, pic 1 is probably the most important piece, esp certain rotating stuff gets 2 color marking to prevent you mis-relate them when you are switching camshafts! when new cams in , sprockets back on and the butterfly thing is 180 degree wrong, you will be the sorry-est *** in the world, why? becoz if you are 180 degree wrong, when you turn cams to lock with cam-tool again, even if the teeth no of t-belt is right, the moment you start your engine, it's probably bye bye time!
then the pic 2 is serpent belt update
http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/73859/2.jpg
pic 3 is about refilling the coolant (bleed it right)
http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/73859/3.jpg
these 3 pic are originally from www.12v.org, but I put some vital info on them for guys want to attempt this mod