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Old 11-07-2005, 07:37 PM
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Default Hmm, Technical Data Sheet from Shell lists G-12 *and* Dexcool as applications for the same product.

Here are some crib notes for you. BASF did the fundamental engineering on Euro OEM and two common American coolants made here under license: DexCool and G-05. Also, I have the MSDS for G 12, got it from the VW dealer.


VW G-12

name % CAS
ethylene glycol 70-80% 107-21-1
diethylene glycol 10-20% 111-46-6
sebacic acid 1-5% 111-20-6
sodium hydroxide 1-1.5% 1310-73-2


Here's a recap of BASF's families of coolants followed by URL's for some of them. Notice there are three DexCool type coolants, G 30, G 33, and G 34

Nitrite- containing, amine-, phosphate-free:

G 05 - Universal use for all types of engines

007/400 F - Specially for Rover and Rolls Royce, approvals by Detroit Diesel, Cummins, Perkins

G 206 - Approved by MAN (for use in arctic regions)

Nitrite-, amine-, phosphate-free:

G 48 - Universal use for all types of engines e.g. Mercedes-Benz

G 51 - "Fighting grade product" with basic corrosion protection

Nitrite-, amine-, phosphate-, silicate-, borate-free (OAT):

G 30 - New generation of coolants e.g. for VW (see approval list)

G 33 - Approved by Peugeot, Citroen

G 34 - Approved by Opel/GM Europe, Saab

Nitrite-, amine-, phosphate-free Propylene glycol based:

Basin P 43 - Universal use for light vehicles and heavy-duty engines, applied in countries with special legal requirements

Engine coolant Super Concentrates:

Engine coolant Super Concentrates contain higher concentrated inhibitor packages than the normal Glysantin types. They have to be blended by the customer with monoethylene glycol according to a specified blending procedure to obtain engine
coolants that are conform to the product specification. Super Concentrates are available for Engine Coolant G 05, G 30 and G 48.

Super Concentrate G 99 + MEG --> Engine Coolant G 48

Super Concentrate G 102 + MEG --> Engine Coolant G 05

Super Concentrate G 106 + MEG --> Engine Coolant G 30

http://www.basf.de/basf/html/e/produkte/gebiete/automotive/produktinfo/produkte/produ
ktdetails_PN=1927.html?id=1TfLz5Yoibss0sQ

GLYSANTIN G 05

Mono ethylene glycol with inhibitors

http://www.basf.de/basf/html/e/produkte/gebiete/automotive/produktinfo/produkte/produ
ktdetails_PN=1928.html

GLYSANTIN G 48

Mono ethylene glycol with inhibitors

http://www.basf.de/basf/html/e/produkte/gebiete/automotive/produktinfo/produkte/produ
ktdetails_PN=1930.html

GLYSANTIN G 30

Mono ethylene glycol with inhibitors

http://www.basf.de/basf/html/e/produkte/gebiete/automotive/produktinfo/produkte/produ
ktdetails_PN=2020.html

GLYSANTIN G 33

Mono ethylene glycol with inhibitors

http://www.basf.de/basf/html/e/produkte/gebiete/automotive/produktinfo/produkte/produ
ktdetails_PN=2944.html

GLYSANTIN G 34

Mono ethylene glycol with inhibitors

http://www.basf.de/basf/html/e/produkte/gebiete/automotive/produktinfo/produkte/produ
ktdetails_PN=201.html

GLYTHERMIN P 44

Propylene glycol and inhibitors

http://www.basf.de/basf/html/e/produkte/gebiete/automotive/produktinfo/produkte/produ
ktdetails_PN=3071.html?id=1TfLz5Yoibss0sQ

GLYSACORR G 93

Mono ethylene glycol with inhibitors

http://www.basf.de/basf/html/e/produkte/gebiete/automotive/produktinfo/produkte/produ
ktdetails_PN=3072.html

GLYTHERMIN NF

Ethylene glycol and inhibitors

http://www.basf.de/basf/html/e/produkte/gebiete/automotive/produktinfo/produkte/produ
ktdetails_PN=2000.html

GLYSANTIN PROTECT PLUS

Mono ethylene glycol with inhibitors

http://www.basf.de/basf/html/e/produkte/gebiete/automotive/produktinfo/produkte/produ
ktdetails_PN=3086.html

GLYSANTIN PROTECT

Ethylene glycol with inhibitors

http://www.basf.de/basf/html/e/produkte/gebiete/automotive/produktinfo/produkte/produ
ktdetails_PN=3258.html

GLYSANTIN ALU PROTECT PREMIUM

Mono ethylene glycol with inhibitors

Ashland makes a number of the BASF formulae besides G-05 under license under the Zerex brand name:

https://www.valvoline-technology.com/data/VALV/ValvExtSecurity.nsf/fsZerex?OpenFrameSet

601-1 Antifreeze/Coolant

5/100 Antifreeze/Coolant

604-1 Antifreeze/Coolant

578-3 Universal

578-2 Antifreeze Coolant

279-2 Heavy Duty Precharged

G 30 Antifreeze

G 05 Antifreeze

G 48 Antifreeze

Extreme Life 5-150

G93 Antifreeze

Zerex G 48 - ANTIFREEZE/COOLANT Aluminum Protection, Long Life, Phosphate-Free
Formula

Zerex G 30 - ANTIFREEZE/COOLANT Aluminum Protection, Non-Silicate, Phosphate
Free Formula

Extreme Life 5/150 Aluminum Protection, Non-Silicate Phosphate-Free Formula = G 34
Approved by Opel/GM Europe, Saab = DexCool
Old 11-07-2005, 09:27 PM
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Default fascinating! Now the question is should I go the extra mile

and spent twice the $ hunting down G12+ and flush all my G12 to G12 Plus? Or should I just top it off with some G12 and call it good(replacing thermostat)? The current fluid was drained/refilled abut 18 months ago.

I know G05 is prob a good choice too, in fact I use it in my family's MB E320. But I really want to stick with G12/G12+.
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Default on a second thought.. Maybe I'll replace it with G05

So I don't ever need to set my foot in a Audi/VW dealer again! ........until something breaks.
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with water? no
Old 11-08-2005, 10:58 AM
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Haha, G-05 has the longest sucessfull track record. Unsilicated coolants blow TBelts via waterpump.
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