Quattro527

...til it only puts out simple "hot air", which will cause pre-ignition, which = ignition timing retard, thus = less HP if all is not "tuned" properly.

-Jeff

Joe N.

First off, where does Neuspeed publish the numbers you claim? I provided a link, read it carefully.

Second, there are guys with K04 equipped 1.8Ts who don't even hit those numbers.

Third - you actually think that .3 extra boost spike yields that much hp? Remember, it's just a higher spike. It's not even like the GIAC X chip programming on the 01' A4s that hold, I think, at 1.4 bar.

And yes, I've been in and driven in B5 A4s (which are obviously lighter) with a Neuspeed 1.5 bar chip.

I could go on....<ul><li><a href="http://www.neuspeed.com/products/product_details.asp?app=14|AQ&amp;type=11&amp;ltyp e=ns_euro&amp;p_id=1033">http://www.neuspeed.com/products/product_details.asp?app=14|AQ&amp;type=11&amp;ltyp e=ns_euro&amp;p_id=1033</a</li></ul>

Joe N.

Unfortunately he's incorrect.

USCTrojan4Life

Even GIAC claims 208/245 on their website for their standard chip. All I'm saying is, if Neuspeed is putting out a more aggressive chip, and remember, this chip is NOT sold without the exhaust, I would think the power numbers would be higher than the standard chip.

If they say the dyno numbers for the 1.5 chip is 205/220, is it not logical to assume that those are numbers at the wheels, whether or not they are incorrect?? You do the math...

vx211

yout talkin like 250+ crank..that not right, sorry im drunk..

Turning Japanese

Why would it be logical to assume that is the hp at the wheels? Neuspeed has never rated their chips by hp at the wheels, every other chip manufacturer rates hp at the crank, and Audi (along with every other manufacturer) measures hp at the crank. Basically, hp at the crank is the standard measurement. So, where is the logical connection between the new chip and hp being measured at the wheels? Even a Trojan should see such a connection does not exist...

USCTrojan4Life

I said because Neuspeed claims 208/245 for their 1.2 bar chip, and now give dyno numbers for the more aggressive chip (1.5 bar) that are lower than the standard chip, isn't it logical to think that the numbers are from the wheels? Also, don't forget that the 1.5 bar chip runs with the Neuspeed exhaust.

I know that crank measurements is what everyone uses.

Honestly, i could care less about all this. I don't work for Neuspeed so i have no obligation to defend these numbers. I'm just expressing my views. I could be wrong, and oh well.

Turning Japanese

That means (assuming a 22% loss) that 205hp at wheels is equivalent to 250hp at the crank. That is not going to happen.

Turning Japanese

Think about the numbers. Can the K03 with chip and exhaust produce 250+hp at the crank? The answer is a resounding no. On a B5, Mike Hood was able to get only 230hp at the crank with a custom GIAC chip holding at 1.45 bar and tuned for 104 octance fuel, a full exhaust with test pipe, and fmic. That was maxing out the K03. Remember, there is very little difference between the 1.2 and 1.5 bar chips. The only difference is a small increase in a boost spike. The boost the turbo holds at is where the real power comes from.

BoostTed

it spikes to 1.5 then drops as it reaches the higher RPMS, stock it hits 170 hp at what 5000-5500rpm by the 4500-5000 rpm range boost is already dropping to about 12 psi or so on the NS chip. So peak HP from a 1.2 to a 1.5 chip would not prob change much if anything at all. What the 1.5 will have over the 1.2 is a surge when u first step on it. I had a 1.1 NS chip on my car it would spike to 1.1 bar and settle down to . bar or so now i have the 1.3 bar it spikes to 1.3 then settles to 14.7 psi or 1 bar. But both chip as it reaches the upper RPM starts to drop in boost. on the freeway streets or whatever the 1.5 feels like it has mroe power but at the top it felt the same as the old chip.