eafenyes

I have almost 6000 miles on my 2002 A4 V6 QM and the third coilpack just crapped out on me. This brings me within the Pennsylvania Lemon Law parameters which says that three stikes for the same problem within 12000 miles and one year is a presumed violation of the Lemon Law. The trouble is that I don't want a refund, I don't want a different car. I just want new coilpacks for the 4 remaining cylinders. I sure hope that Audi sees the light and gives me 4 new coilpacks and avoids the expense of a lemon law claim. I love my Audi It is exceptionally unreasonable beavior on the part of Auidt not to allow the dealers to replace all the coilpacks after repeated failures. There must be some way to prevail upon them to do so.

PlacitasNM (aka Ken)

IGNITION COIL (coilpack) FAILURE SURVEY:

Just copy this survey, paste it into a new message box, and then,
place your cursor into each appropriate field and type in your response.

For instance, if this is your 2nd coil failure, your response to (5) might look like this:
.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..................
EXAMPLE: (5) 1st __ B ___ 2nd __ C ___ 3rd _____ 4th _____ WEATHER ... Was the weather:

A ... Hot
B ... Mild
C ... Cold - Above Freezing
D ... Cold - Below Freezing
5a .. Do you have any other comments regarding the weather (snow, rain, sleet, etc):

_____2nd failure on a miserable day - Raining Hard - 39 degrees - Remote road - Out of cell phone range _____
.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ................

SURVEY:

(1) CAR ... Describe your car:

Make _______

Model ______

Year _______

Engine type _______

Auto/Manual _______

FWD/AWD _______


(2) _____ NUMBER OF FAILURES ... Is this survey for your:

A ... 1st. Coil failure

B ... 2nd. Coil failure

C ... 3rd. Coil failure

D ... 4th. Coil failure


SYMPTOMS ... Check all that apply:

A ___ Shaking

B ___ Vibration

C ___ Rough Idle

D ___ Flashing Engine Warning Light

E ___ Steady Engine Warning Light

F ___ Minor loss of power while driving

G ___ Moderate loss of power whild driving

H ___ Major loss of power while driving

I ___ Total loss of power while driving

J ___ Could not keep the engine running

K ___ Didn't try to drive it

3a .. Do you have any other comments regarding the symptoms you experienced:

_______________________________


(4) 1st _____ 2nd _____ 3rd _____ 4th _____ WHEN FIRST NOTICED ... Did you first notice the problem:

A ... Upon starting your car

B ... After starting your car but before driving away

C ... Within 5 minutes of starting your car and driving away

D ... On the road - Inconvenience but not hazardous

E ... On the road - Hazardous situation - Traffic

F ... On the road - Hazardous situation - Weather

G ... On the road - Hazardous situation - Bad place to be stranded

4a .. Do you have any additional comments regarding the above:

_______________________________


(5) 1st _____ 2nd _____ 3rd _____ 4th _____ WEATHER ... Was the weather:

A ... Hot (85 degrees or higher)

B ... Mild (between 50 and 85 degrees)

C ... Cold - Above Freezing (between 32 and 50 degrees)

D ... Cold - Below Freezing (below 32 degrees)

5a .. Do you have any other comments regarding the weather (snow, rain, sleet, etc):

________________________________


(6) 1st _____ 2nd _____ 3rd _____ 4th _____ AFTER THE FAILURE OCCURRED ... Once you noticed this problem
with your car what did you do:

A ... Turned off the ignition ... Had it flatbedded to the dealer

B ... Pulled to the side of the road ... had it flatbedded to the dealer

C ... Drove to a safe parking spot ... Had it flatbedded to the dealer

D ... Drove until you felt you were a traffic hazard and concerned for your safety ... Have it flatbedded to the dealer

E ... Drove until additional symptoms made you too concerned to drive further ... Had it flatbedded to the dealer

F ... Drove home ... Had it flatbedded to the dealer

G ... Drove directly to the dealer

6a .. Any other comments regarding the above:

_______________________________________


(7) _____ DRIVING STYLE ... Is your driving style typically:

A ... Gentle

B ... Moderate

C ... Moderate and sometimes aggressive

D ... Aggressive and sometimes moderate

E ... Aggressive


(8) _____, _____ DEALER RESPONSES (select 2) ... What did your dealer tell you when the car was brought in:

A .. Car ready .. Or ... Will be ready within one day.

B ... Parts are on order. One week estimate.

C ... Parts are on order. Two week estimate.

D ... Parts are on order. Three week estimate.

E ... Parts are on order. Estimate more than 3 weeks.

F ... Parts are on order. No idea of when they'll be in.

G ... Transportation, if needed, was provided for.

H ... Transportation, although needed, was not provided for.

J ... Comments _________________________


(9) 1st _____ 2nd _____ 3rd _____ 4th _____ COIL REPLACEMENT ... If your engine is a 1.8T, Did the dealer replace
your coil with the latest revision coil (Part # 06B-905-115-J for 1.8T -or- 06C-905-115-E for 3.0):

A ... Yes

B ... No

C ... Don't know


(10) 1st _____ 2nd _____ 3rd _____ 4th _____ 'ALL' COIL REPLACEMENT ... Did the dealer replace 'all' your coils with
the latest revision ignition coils?:

A ... Yes

B ... No

C ... Don't know


(11) - LOCATION ... Geographically, where did the failure occur (Closest major city and State or Province):

1st _______________________________________

2nd _______________________________________

3rd _______________________________________

4th _______________________________________


(12) - MILEAGE ... What was the mileage on your car when your coil failure occurred.

1st _______________________________________

2nd _______________________________________

3rd _______________________________________

4th _______________________________________


(13) - WHEN ... In what 'month' and 'year' did this failure occur:

1st _______________________________________

2nd _______________________________________

3rd _______________________________________

4th _______________________________________


(14) - CAR BUILD DATE ... When was your car built (month/year) ... (Look inside your driver door pillar for build date).
Write the date or write in your purchase date with an asterisk.

___________________________________________


(15) ______ DISRUPTION ... How serious was the effect of this problem on your planned activities ...

A ... Negligable .. Comments __________________________

B ... Minor .. Comments ______________________________

C ... Significant .. Comments __________________________

D ... Major .. Comments ______________________________


(16)______INDICATORS ... Did your car provide any hints that car trouble was brewing such as:

A ... Change in the way the car idles

B ... Recent change in the way the car starts

C ... Poorer than normal gas mileage

D ... Other _________________________________________


(17) - VENTING AND CUSSING ... Add any comments below that you'd like to share:

_________________________________________________

You can do even more by using the following:

Here's the AudiTalk email address:

auditalk@audi.com

Here's the NHTSA link:

eafenyes

1) CAR ... Describe your car:

Make Audi_______

Model A4______

Year 2002_______

Engine type V6_______

Auto/Manual Manual_______

FWD/AWD AWD______


(2) __C___ NUMBER OF FAILURES ... Is this survey for your:

A ... 1st. Coil failure

B ... 2nd. Coil failure

C ... 3rd. Coil failure

D ... 4th. Coil failure


SYMPTOMS ... Check all that apply:

A _X__ Shaking

B _X__ Vibration

C __X_ Rough Idle

D _X__ Flashing Engine Warning Light

E ___ Steady Engine Warning Light

F ___ Minor loss of power while driving

G ___ Moderate loss of power whild driving

H _X__ Major loss of power while driving

I ___ Total loss of power while driving

J ___ Could not keep the engine running

K ___ Didn't try to drive it

3a .. Do you have any other comments regarding the symptoms you experienced:

_______________________________


(4) 1st __C___ 2nd __A___ 3rd __D___ 4th _____ WHEN FIRST NOTICED ... Did you first notice the problem:

A ... Upon starting your car

B ... After starting your car but before driving away

C ... Within 5 minutes of starting your car and driving away

D ... On the road - Inconvenience but not hazardous

E ... On the road - Hazardous situation - Traffic

F ... On the road - Hazardous situation - Weather

G ... On the road - Hazardous situation - Bad place to be stranded

4a .. Do you have any additional comments regarding the above:

_______________________________


(5) 1st __C___ 2nd __C___ 3rd __D___ 4th _____ WEATHER ... Was the weather:

A ... Hot (85 degrees or higher)

B ... Mild (between 50 and 85 degrees)

C ... Cold - Above Freezing (between 32 and 50 degrees)

D ... Cold - Below Freezing (below 32 degrees)

5a .. Do you have any other comments regarding the weather (snow, rain, sleet, etc):

________________________________


(6) 1st ___F__ 2nd ___A__ 3rd ___F__ 4th _____ AFTER THE FAILURE OCCURRED ... Once you noticed this problem
with your car what did you do:

A ... Turned off the ignition ... Had it flatbedded to the dealer

B ... Pulled to the side of the road ... had it flatbedded to the dealer

C ... Drove to a safe parking spot ... Had it flatbedded to the dealer

D ... Drove until you felt you were a traffic hazard and concerned for your safety ... Have it flatbedded to the dealer

E ... Drove until additional symptoms made you too concerned to drive further ... Had it flatbedded to the dealer

F ... Drove home ... Had it flatbedded to the dealer

G ... Drove directly to the dealer

6a .. Any other comments regarding the above:

_______________________________________


(7) __B___ DRIVING STYLE ... Is your driving style typically:

A ... Gentle

B ... Moderate

C ... Moderate and sometimes aggressive

D ... Aggressive and sometimes moderate

E ... Aggressive


(8) __A___, __A___ DEALER RESPONSES (select 2) ... What did your dealer tell you when the car was brought in:

A .. Car ready .. Or ... Will be ready within one day.

B ... Parts are on order. One week estimate.

C ... Parts are on order. Two week estimate.

D ... Parts are on order. Three week estimate.

E ... Parts are on order. Estimate more than 3 weeks.

F ... Parts are on order. No idea of when they'll be in.

G ... Transportation, if needed, was provided for.

H ... Transportation, although needed, was not provided for.

J ... Comments _________________________


(9) 1st _____ 2nd _____ 3rd _____ 4th _____ COIL REPLACEMENT ... If your engine is a 1.8T, Did the dealer replace
your coil with the latest revision coil (Part # 06B-905-115-J for 1.8T -or- 06C-905-115-E for 3.0):

A ... Yes

B ... No

C ..X. Don't know


(10) 1st __B___ 2nd __B___ 3rd _____ 4th _____ 'ALL' COIL REPLACEMENT ... Did the dealer replace 'all' your coils with
the latest revision ignition coils?:

A ... Yes

B ... No

C ... Don't know

I expect to persuade him to replace all of them after this third failure.


(11) - LOCATION ... Geographically, where did the failure occur (Closest major city and State or Province):

1st Philadelphia Suburbs_______________________________________

2nd Philadelphia Suburbs_______________________________________

3rd Philadelphia Suburbs_______________________________________

4th _______________________________________


(12) - MILEAGE ... What was the mileage on your car when your coil failure occurred.

1st 4600_______________________________________

2nd 4800_______________________________________

3rd 5800_______________________________________

4th _______________________________________


(13) - WHEN ... In what 'month' and 'year' did this failure occur:

1st _November______________________________________

2nd December_______________________________________

3rd January_______________________________________

4th _______________________________________


(14) - CAR BUILD DATE ... When was your car built (month/year) ... (Look inside your driver door pillar for build date).
Write the date or write in your purchase date with an asterisk.

_02/02__________________________________________


(15) __B____ DISRUPTION ... How serious was the effect of this problem on your planned activities ...

A ... Negligable .. Comments __________________________

B ... Minor .. Comments ______________________________

C ... Significant .. Comments __________________________

D ... Major .. Comments ______________________________


(16)___None___INDICATORS ... Did your car provide any hints that car trouble was brewing such as:

A ... Change in the way the car idles

B ... Recent change in the way the car starts

C ... Poorer than normal gas mileage

D ... Other _________________________________________


(17) - VENTING AND CUSSING ... Add any comments below that you'd like to share:

Judging from these surveys this must be a fairly unusual situation. Very few V6s seem to have the coilpack problem and even fewer of them have three failures and even of those who do, the problem occurs right after cold starting, like my first two failures. I felt pretty secure driving the car because I figured that if it brakes it will happen when I start it and then I can just take my other car. However, this time the failure occured about 10 miles from the house. I drove it home, I am not sure if I fried the catalytic converter but it smelled like something was really hot under the car. This is really a pisser because otherwise I really like this car.
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PlacitasNM (aka Ken)

Got it ... Logged it ... Thanks a lot eafenyes. Yes! I think you're the first 3.0 with 3 failures.