Which would handle better in snow/rain: A4 quattro/ G35 AWD sedan/Evo8 Lancer &why? I'm curious
12-04-2003, 09:13 AM
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No, you are wrong. EDL transfers power from side to side in case of slippage. The fixed ratio is....
50/50 front to rear controlled by the TorSen differential and 50/50 left to right controlled by the TorSen diff in back and EDL in front. Got it?
12-05-2003, 05:11 AM
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No Torsen in back and the TBR is 60/40, not 50/50.
If you knew how a torsen worked, you would understand that it can never be 50/50, or you would experience binding on tarmac.
At any rate, EDL is a poor, cheap substitute for a real differential. EDL doesn't transfer power, it just applies the brakes to the slipping wheel. Audi had quattro right the first time with a locking center diff and locking rear, then they got cheap and went to a center and rear torsen and now all they have is the center. Wait a few years and quattro will be nothing more than a cheap VC and a very complex ABS computer prone to failure.
And that, my friend, is why I now own a ricebox.
At any rate, EDL is a poor, cheap substitute for a real differential. EDL doesn't transfer power, it just applies the brakes to the slipping wheel. Audi had quattro right the first time with a locking center diff and locking rear, then they got cheap and went to a center and rear torsen and now all they have is the center. Wait a few years and quattro will be nothing more than a cheap VC and a very complex ABS computer prone to failure.
And that, my friend, is why I now own a ricebox.
12-05-2003, 05:13 AM
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Nope.
ESP is tied into the ABS system which controls that mess that is known as EDL.
So what system would you consider ESP part of if it's not a part of the quattro drivetrain?
Idiot.
So what system would you consider ESP part of if it's not a part of the quattro drivetrain?
Idiot.
12-05-2003, 06:12 AM
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OK hang on, the both of you.
no need to start calling names. Technically speaking ESP has nothing to do w/Quattro. B5s had Quattro w/no ESP.
ESP/EDL are tied in. ESP/EDL use the same sensors and brakes to perform different functions. EDL to control wheel slip from left to right. ESP uses the additional yaw sensors to keep the car in a straight line. ESP achieves its goals by applying brakes to whatever wheel it deems necessary. EDL controls the wheel slippage by applying brakes to the wheel it deems necessary.
They both do the same thing (apply brakes) but under different circumstances.
You can have Quattro w/out ESP (B5s). You can have ESP w/out Quattro (every other luxury RWD car out there).
Make sense?
ESP/EDL are tied in. ESP/EDL use the same sensors and brakes to perform different functions. EDL to control wheel slip from left to right. ESP uses the additional yaw sensors to keep the car in a straight line. ESP achieves its goals by applying brakes to whatever wheel it deems necessary. EDL controls the wheel slippage by applying brakes to the wheel it deems necessary.
They both do the same thing (apply brakes) but under different circumstances.
You can have Quattro w/out ESP (B5s). You can have ESP w/out Quattro (every other luxury RWD car out there).
Make sense?
12-05-2003, 07:06 AM
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You must have gotten your info on quattro from the Mitsu guys...
that would explain your total lack of understanding. Sure is funny how Audi's system is consistently rated as the best all-wheel drive setup there is. And they're still winning with it. Enjoy your rice burner on another forum, see ya.