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Old 11-12-2021, 09:48 AM
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Yeah, would need to see the DTCs when it's not working, see if it's claiming protection or if it's something else. Good luck.
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DTC’s are as follows:
Address 56: Radio (R) Labels:. 4F0-035-0xx-56.clb
Part No SW: 4G0 035 082 D HW: 4G0 035 082
Component: Radio U SIRIU H60 0112
Revision: AB001007 Serial number: 156E$0C7598230
Coding: 020007020100000001
Shop #: WSC 02391 785 00200
VCID: 211F187FA1C97A1388F-8074

6 Faults Found:
00417 - Left Front DSP Mid-Bass Speaker (R101)
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 104
Mileage: 122056 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2021.11.12
Time: 14:57:50

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 11.80 V

00418 - Front Right DSP Mid-Bass Speaker (R102)
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 104
Mileage: 122056 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2021.11.12
Time: 14:57:50

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 11.80 V

02558 - Rear Left Mid-Range/Woofer Loudspeaker (R159)
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 104
Mileage: 122056 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2021.11.12
Time: 14:57:50

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 11.80 V

02559 - Rear Right Mid-Range/Woofer Loudspeaker (R160)
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 104
Mileage: 122056 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2021.11.12
Time: 14:57:50

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 11.80 V

02246 - Loudspeaker; Center
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 104
Mileage: 122056 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2021.11.12
Time: 14:57:50

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 11.80 V

03405 - Bass Loudspeaker
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 104
Mileage: 122056 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2021.11.12
Time: 14:57:50

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 11.80 V


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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794) Labels:. 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
Part No SW: 8R1 035 746 G HW: 8R1 035 746 A
Component: H-BNT-NA H42 0901
Revision: -------- Serial number: 096E 0C7510836
Coding: 010200050006A1EF41028F4E00000403140000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 3B23CA17236530C3B23-806E

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 AD
Component: NAR 2011 0505

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8R0 919 604 HW: 8R0 919 604
Component: DU7 High H41 0104
Serial number: A130EG0CS169387

Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 611 L HW: 8T0 919 611 C
Component: E0380 Bedient H02 0030
Serial number: 00000001153298

Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961 B
Component: CD-Database 3371

1 Fault Found:
03276 - Please Check Software Version Management
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 6
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 90
Mileage: 121663 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2021.11.05
Time: 14:17:31

Freeze Frame:
Text: ARU9471,TNR,A,1,172,1
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Old 11-12-2021, 02:58 PM
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That looks more like wiring issues. Maybe why it's coming and going. But all six speakers open circuit? Probably a plug issue. Try reseating the plug to the unit.
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Will do. What do you make of this one?


1 Fault Found:
03276 - Please Check Software Version Management
Old 11-12-2021, 09:38 PM
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I'm not sure what to make of it. Not surprised the dealership didn't mention it; they can bill you again to have to hook it back up again to look at it. Something the dealership would have to review with the software management tools they have. I don't know what the freeze frame data is trying to say. What happened at 2:17pm on Nov 5 (last Friday)? They would have to explain it.

$225 to do CP? That's a hell of a rip. Is that one hour labor, or did they charge more than that? Charging more than one hour labor for server work is bs.

I'd say that nav data is ancient too, appears to be original. But you can't just pop in a new data disc and go on. MMI 3G made it a cluster f of stuff to update it. There's resources out there on updating MMI 3G firmware and navigation data. But if you just use your phone all the time, ....
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2:17pm on Nov 5 Is when they removed the component protection and tested all systems before handing it back to me. $225 was one hour of labor but since this DTC came about when it was at the dealer I assume it’s related to the radio and whatever they did.
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Yeah, I'd be calling them up and asking them why that's there then. You could clear codes and see if it comes back. If everything is working regarding the system (it's not related to your radio audio issue, imo), you could leave it be. $225 for one hour, wow.
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I have cleared codes but they immediately reappear. Doesn’t seem to be an electrical connection issue - those plugs are all pretty well designed to eliminate that issue and I reseated everything again.

Dealer said the minimum charge is 1hr and that’s their rate. I suppose I’ll have to hope this outdated software DTC resonates with them because I’m expecting them to just point to the radio tuner as the source since the didn’t install it. I can’t leave it as - it only works 50% of the time…
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Yeah, I'd push on them about the DTC they left behind for the work you've already paid them. Basically a warranty call imo.

But the speaker DTCs, they seem direct, open circuit. But if I go back to your first post to the thread, you said you have B&O. So that doesn't use the amps in the radio. You shouldn't be getting DTCs about speakers from address 56. The B&O always uses the outboard J525, at address 47 ("sound system"). The big finned object on top of the stack with the 32-pin (and 18-pin, and maybe optical) plug. Did you record the coding for address 56 (radio) before and after; is the new radio unit coded to the same as previously?

Here's a NAR B8.5 with 5F (MMI), 56 (radio), and 47 (sound system). By having J794 and the J525, we know it's a B&O sound system instead of the standard sound system - https://forums.ross-tech.com/index.php?threads/21275/

Code:
Address 47: Sound System (J525)       Labels:. 8T0-035-223-BOM.clb
   Part No SW: 8T1 035 223 A    HW: 8T1 035 223 A
   Component: DSP Prem      H05 0030

Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4G0 035 082 G    HW: 4G0 035 082
   Component: Radio U SIRIU H66 0133  
   Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 156I50F8316972
   Coding: 020007010000000001
And here's a NAR B8.5 with 5F and 56 only. So no J525, meaning only standard sound system.

Code:
Address 56: Radio (R)       Labels: Redir Fail!
   Part No SW: 4G0 035 082 G    HW: 4G0 035 082
   Component: Radio U SIRIU H66 0133  
   Revision: AB001007    Serial number: 156C.0F8236327
   Coding: 020007020100000101
Notice the coding is slightly different. I don't have a B8.5 radio to look at, my B8.0 radio has a very small coding value (0000002). So I can't look at long coding helper to see what those two value positions might represent. The coding on your radio is:
Coding: 020007020100000001

So looks more like the radio coding for standard sound system than the radio coding for B&O sound system. Why the dealership would not have put the coding back to original spec, I don't know. If you have a log from before all this event, check what your radio coding was.
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I checked Radio (56) coding and it is different now than what it was previously:

Before: 020007010000000001
Now: 020007020100000001

Here is the before:




And here is the current:




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