What's the deal with the weak engines?
08-30-2007, 12:46 PM
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Come again? "Refundable security deposit of $4K"?
"8 security deposits"? You didn't put $4K down but instead gave it to them to hold for 3 years?
I must be a leasing newb but I've never heard of stuff like that. Interesting.
I must be a leasing newb but I've never heard of stuff like that. Interesting.
08-30-2007, 01:09 PM
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This thread is off base. The A4 3.2 competes with the BMW 328, NOT the 335
the A4 3.2 competes with the 328, NOT the 335. Both engines have almost identical displacement (3.1L vs 3.0L).
But the Audi boasts the stronger, more advanced engine (260hp vs 220hp).
So the claims that the 3.2 engine is "weak" just makes me shake my head. That engine is the most powerful and sophisticated naturally aspiring 3 liter engine in the world.
Yes, the A4 and A5 may not have perfect competitive matches to their BMW rivals (e.g. the S5 comptes with the 335 even though it has a V8 instead if an i6 turbo) but these complaints that Audi's engines are somehow weaker than the competition are ridiculous.
If you do appropriate comparisons, you'll find that the Audi's are the ones with the stronger engines.
But the Audi boasts the stronger, more advanced engine (260hp vs 220hp).
So the claims that the 3.2 engine is "weak" just makes me shake my head. That engine is the most powerful and sophisticated naturally aspiring 3 liter engine in the world.
Yes, the A4 and A5 may not have perfect competitive matches to their BMW rivals (e.g. the S5 comptes with the 335 even though it has a V8 instead if an i6 turbo) but these complaints that Audi's engines are somehow weaker than the competition are ridiculous.
If you do appropriate comparisons, you'll find that the Audi's are the ones with the stronger engines.
08-30-2007, 01:22 PM
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Couple of holes in THAT arguement.
1) BMW's 3.0 motor in the 328 is the same motor as last year's 330i just missing some tuning and a 3 stage intake manifold. 255hp in the 330. The 328 makes 220 because that's where they decided to market it, not because it can't make the power. But it's pretty obvious it's not making too much more power since they had to go and throw a couple turbos on it. However, in the price point, they're ahead of Audi in the hp wars ... woopie.
2) As the top motor in the model range (excluding S) the 3.2 absolutely DOES compete against the 335i. As well as the is350. But that's okay, the C350 only puts out 268hp. Real world, it's still more than acceptable ... as long as they really do keep the weight down once all the options are on the car.
3) "That engine is the most powerful and sophisticated naturally aspiring 3 liter engine in the world." The blind fan-boyism in that statement just makes me shake my head. Please show me one bit of proof that it's the most powerful, most sophisticated, IN DA WORLD. I'm being snarky, but that just makes you sound like a marketing dept tool.
2) As the top motor in the model range (excluding S) the 3.2 absolutely DOES compete against the 335i. As well as the is350. But that's okay, the C350 only puts out 268hp. Real world, it's still more than acceptable ... as long as they really do keep the weight down once all the options are on the car.
3) "That engine is the most powerful and sophisticated naturally aspiring 3 liter engine in the world." The blind fan-boyism in that statement just makes me shake my head. Please show me one bit of proof that it's the most powerful, most sophisticated, IN DA WORLD. I'm being snarky, but that just makes you sound like a marketing dept tool.
08-30-2007, 02:34 PM
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That's interesting.
I'm no finance person, but how does a refundable deposit lower your money factor? I can understand a cap reduction or interest buy down, but that's money you don't get back. I didn't realize that there were finance companies willing to cut me a break for just letting them hold on to my money.
Does Audi do this?
Does Audi do this?
08-30-2007, 02:38 PM
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Re: That's interesting.
I am no finance guy either, but my logic would be that it helps their cash flow since you let them hold your money for the lease period (2-3 years).
I don't think Audi does the multiple security deposit (MSD) deal thing.
I don't think Audi does the multiple security deposit (MSD) deal thing.
08-30-2007, 02:48 PM
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I up you by 2 years...
Still driving my 1997 A4 1.8T with KO4.
I like tat car so much I am thinking getting Velocity RS4 replica wheels.
Well, got so much sweat and blood (from busted knuckle DIY) invested in it so I can't let it go yet. :-)
I like tat car so much I am thinking getting Velocity RS4 replica wheels.
Well, got so much sweat and blood (from busted knuckle DIY) invested in it so I can't let it go yet. :-)
08-30-2007, 02:58 PM
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They make interest on my $4K. I only get the original deposit back
It is still a good way of saving some money. I will save about $1250 in total monthly payment ($35 per month x 36). I don't think I could earn that kind of money on my $4K in 3 years in a safe investment like a CD.
08-30-2007, 04:00 PM
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330i =272hp; C350=268hp; A4=265 hp; Audi's in the ball park, what's the problem here? US market...
US market does not make or break Audi's business so you can't judge this issue from what is available in the US. The "weak" engine argument is an old one but also a false one. Think of it from Audi's perspective... On a worldwide basis, Audi's engine range is very competitive with BMW or Mercedes. Since BMW sells very few 335i (compare to say... 318i+320i+320d etc), the fact that it may be marginally faster than S4 is really irrelevant. Through out the A4 engine range, it is pretty much punch of punch better or equal to BMW 3 series.
318i vs 2.slow = a wash... both car are very slow and underpowered by US standards
320i vs 1.8T = 4 cyclider vs. 1.8T - 1.8T never lose...
325i (323i in Canada) vs 2.0T = 2.5 I6 vs. turbo FSI - Audi wins
328i (US only) vs. 3.1 V6 = Audi wins
330i vs. 3.1 V6 = toss up but I give it to the nice BMW 3.0 I6
335i vs. 4.2 V8 = probably toss up but I prefer V8 (somewhat biased...)
318d vs 1.9 TDI = I think BMW wins here
320d vs. 2.0 TDI = I'd go with Audi here
325d vs. 2.7 TDI = Audi has more power
330d vs. 3.0 TDI = toss up
335d vs. ? = Audi is lacking here
318i vs 2.slow = a wash... both car are very slow and underpowered by US standards
320i vs 1.8T = 4 cyclider vs. 1.8T - 1.8T never lose...
325i (323i in Canada) vs 2.0T = 2.5 I6 vs. turbo FSI - Audi wins
328i (US only) vs. 3.1 V6 = Audi wins
330i vs. 3.1 V6 = toss up but I give it to the nice BMW 3.0 I6
335i vs. 4.2 V8 = probably toss up but I prefer V8 (somewhat biased...)
318d vs 1.9 TDI = I think BMW wins here
320d vs. 2.0 TDI = I'd go with Audi here
325d vs. 2.7 TDI = Audi has more power
330d vs. 3.0 TDI = toss up
335d vs. ? = Audi is lacking here