What's the deal with the weak engines?
08-31-2007, 05:51 PM
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After all these years, do you really believe Audi will change their strategy?
They've sold more and more A4's every year with the same tried and true formula, so I don't think anyone at Audi sees a compelling reason to bump up the 3.2 another 55hp.
Think about it. If they did that, they'd have to do the same to the S and the RS cars. And when they do that, what about the A6 and A8 lines? Will they need substantial bumps in power to make them more powerful than their entry-level car? It has a tremendous effect on their overall strategy.
So, as much as we would all love to have their cars perfect, with class-leading power, exterior aesthetics, and interior, I just can't see it happening. Like many Audi owners, I'm not fixated on power as the key to the car. Nice to have? Sure, but must have? No, I don't absolutely need 300hp. I can enjoy the car for all the things that it does well.
Think about it. If they did that, they'd have to do the same to the S and the RS cars. And when they do that, what about the A6 and A8 lines? Will they need substantial bumps in power to make them more powerful than their entry-level car? It has a tremendous effect on their overall strategy.
So, as much as we would all love to have their cars perfect, with class-leading power, exterior aesthetics, and interior, I just can't see it happening. Like many Audi owners, I'm not fixated on power as the key to the car. Nice to have? Sure, but must have? No, I don't absolutely need 300hp. I can enjoy the car for all the things that it does well.
08-31-2007, 10:21 PM
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Yeah I am an Audi Fan, thats why I'm on these Forums
But I don't think its right of you to be saying that the engines are weak. Honestly, looking at them on their own they are not. Of course they arn't super fast or anything, but for what they are I think you need to give them a bit more credit. The A6 4.2L V8 does 0-100kpm in 6.1 secs, so comparing the 3.2 and 3.0TDI to that its not too bad. The 3.2 and 3.0TDI are probably well above the average of all cars for their performance.
Its also true that Audi won't want to make the A4 engines too powerful because it will clash with the S4 when it comes out. And just imagine how much complaining their would be if the S4 wasn't much more powerful than an A4. Sure an S4 costs more, but I think its more than worth it in the end.
Also who knows how well this new A4 will handle etc, handling is almost more important than acceleration and this new A4 seems like it can do it. Look at the R8 for example, its not as fast as a 911 but it handles so much better that pretty much all the reviews (all the ones I've read) have prefered it.
In the end I think you need to take more interest in the S4, you'll get the performance you want and everything else that makes an Audi special too. I'm going to try and save up for an S4 or S5.
Its also true that Audi won't want to make the A4 engines too powerful because it will clash with the S4 when it comes out. And just imagine how much complaining their would be if the S4 wasn't much more powerful than an A4. Sure an S4 costs more, but I think its more than worth it in the end.
Also who knows how well this new A4 will handle etc, handling is almost more important than acceleration and this new A4 seems like it can do it. Look at the R8 for example, its not as fast as a 911 but it handles so much better that pretty much all the reviews (all the ones I've read) have prefered it.
In the end I think you need to take more interest in the S4, you'll get the performance you want and everything else that makes an Audi special too. I'm going to try and save up for an S4 or S5.
08-31-2007, 10:42 PM
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But the 335i is $19,000 more than a 3.2LV6 or 3.0L TDI so Wrong I'm Afraid.
The 335i and the S4 are both priced at odd ends, but for what you are saying, the 335i does not give better performance for less price, a 335i does 0-100 in 5.8 secs while an S4 does 0-100 in 5.6 secs (current model) I expect the new one to be as fast as the S5 (0-100 in 5.1 secs).
I suppose if you are considering the current S4 the difference isn't as great but the new model "should" be a vast improvement.
"Price per price, the 3.2 has to compete with the 335 for buyers. That's how I see it." if thats how you see it, the 335i does 0-100 in 5.8 secs, 3.2A4 0-100 6.2 secs and 3.0TDI 0-100 in 6.1 secs. So is the 335i woth the $19,000 more for 0.3 of a second (compared to the 3.0L TDI model)? The way I see it the 3.0L TDI kills the 335i, 0.3 of a second slower only, better fuel economy, superior quality of materials/build quality and $19,000 less. The 3.2L is also very similar to the 3.0L so same goes for it.
I'm not sure about you, but thers no way I'd get a 335i, apart from its rotten looks and under class quality etc its just not worth it. I'd save up for the new S4. Up to you though, I don't know how you base your price comparisons to performance.
I've based the prices of the Au models, where a 3.2V6 and 3.0TDI are $86,000 and the 335i is $105,000.
I suppose if you are considering the current S4 the difference isn't as great but the new model "should" be a vast improvement.
"Price per price, the 3.2 has to compete with the 335 for buyers. That's how I see it." if thats how you see it, the 335i does 0-100 in 5.8 secs, 3.2A4 0-100 6.2 secs and 3.0TDI 0-100 in 6.1 secs. So is the 335i woth the $19,000 more for 0.3 of a second (compared to the 3.0L TDI model)? The way I see it the 3.0L TDI kills the 335i, 0.3 of a second slower only, better fuel economy, superior quality of materials/build quality and $19,000 less. The 3.2L is also very similar to the 3.0L so same goes for it.
I'm not sure about you, but thers no way I'd get a 335i, apart from its rotten looks and under class quality etc its just not worth it. I'd save up for the new S4. Up to you though, I don't know how you base your price comparisons to performance.
I've based the prices of the Au models, where a 3.2V6 and 3.0TDI are $86,000 and the 335i is $105,000.
08-31-2007, 10:59 PM
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Seriously Look at the 3.0L TDI, its a good engine, power plus fuel economy.
Theres you backflips answer engine, its 0.3 of a second slower than the 335i and it has much lower fuel consumption, is that enough of a compromise for you to save $19,000?
And besides, the new S4 should be as fast as the S5 in acceleration i.e 0-100 in 5.1 secs, 335i 0-100 in 5.8 (both official numbers from websites).
I based my prices on Au specs where the 335i is $105,000 and the 3.0L TDI is $86,000.
And besides, the new S4 should be as fast as the S5 in acceleration i.e 0-100 in 5.1 secs, 335i 0-100 in 5.8 (both official numbers from websites).
I based my prices on Au specs where the 335i is $105,000 and the 3.0L TDI is $86,000.
08-31-2007, 11:05 PM
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That Really Makes Sense
So first you say that the official figures of the 335i from the BMW website are wrong, however the official website figures of the A4 are right. What a stupid thing to say, if I could I'd slap you over the back of the head.
And besides, the 3.2L v6 is only 0.4 of a sec slower than the 335i while costing far less (FAR LESS). 3.0 TDI 0.3 secs slower and also, FAR LESS expensive.
You will just have to try the diesel, I can't comment on it, I havn't driven it, but I saw in one review of the S5/A5 it was compared with the S5s engine, so it can't be that bad. Besides the performance and econimy figures look really good.
And besides, the 3.2L v6 is only 0.4 of a sec slower than the 335i while costing far less (FAR LESS). 3.0 TDI 0.3 secs slower and also, FAR LESS expensive.
You will just have to try the diesel, I can't comment on it, I havn't driven it, but I saw in one review of the S5/A5 it was compared with the S5s engine, so it can't be that bad. Besides the performance and econimy figures look really good.
08-31-2007, 11:19 PM
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0.4/0.3 seconds makes so much difference doesn't it.
Thats how much faster a standard 335i is to a 3.2 or 3.0TDI. Also, an S4 (0-100 in 5.6) is faster than a 335i in standard form, look at the website; check your sources and think before you say something wrong, just makes you look like an oaf.
Also, if the 3.2 or 3.0TDI had a chip in them I'm sure they would perform better than a 335i so again, thick comments.
Compare things on a same level, otherwise its not accurate. Would you compare 2 people of the same weight in a boxing match etc, or put a big person against a little one (chipped out versus standard cars so you can keep up). Never mind, I probably know your answer already based off how intelligent your last comments were.<ul><li><a href="http://www.bmw.com.au/scripts/main.asp?PageID=11768&ModelID=1000002&Mode lCategoryID=11&PrimaryModelID=1000007&Scre en=ModelSpecs">http://www.bmw.com.au/scripts/main.asp?PageID=11768&ModelID=1000002&Mode lCategor
Also, if the 3.2 or 3.0TDI had a chip in them I'm sure they would perform better than a 335i so again, thick comments.
Compare things on a same level, otherwise its not accurate. Would you compare 2 people of the same weight in a boxing match etc, or put a big person against a little one (chipped out versus standard cars so you can keep up). Never mind, I probably know your answer already based off how intelligent your last comments were.<ul><li><a href="http://www.bmw.com.au/scripts/main.asp?PageID=11768&ModelID=1000002&Mode lCategoryID=11&PrimaryModelID=1000007&Scre en=ModelSpecs">http://www.bmw.com.au/scripts/main.asp?PageID=11768&ModelID=1000002&Mode lCategor
09-01-2007, 12:22 AM
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An interesting dichotomy indeed - you mock me, yet you use manufacturers 0-60 times as evidence.
You're clearly a n00b.
Have you ever heard of a 1/4 mile time? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, you're going to want to look into that. It's pretty much the be all end all of straight line performance.
...as opposed to say the poseur boy-racer 15 year old "can't wait to get my license" douchebag or prospective Soccer-Mom minivan buyer performance standard, AKA the 0-60 time.
Don't forget to check your blinker fluid and muffler bearings.<ul><li><a href="http://www.tornadofuelsaver.com">And this is should be the first mod on ANY car!!!!!!</a></li></ul>
Have you ever heard of a 1/4 mile time? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, you're going to want to look into that. It's pretty much the be all end all of straight line performance.
...as opposed to say the poseur boy-racer 15 year old "can't wait to get my license" douchebag or prospective Soccer-Mom minivan buyer performance standard, AKA the 0-60 time.
Don't forget to check your blinker fluid and muffler bearings.<ul><li><a href="http://www.tornadofuelsaver.com">And this is should be the first mod on ANY car!!!!!!</a></li></ul>
09-01-2007, 02:33 AM
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And he huffed and he puffed...
Whats with the sudden change in comparison, you were the one to bring up the 0-100kph tests and be so critical; so who's the fool now.
Now your on to the 1/4 mile test, the A4 hasn't been tested for that yet either from what I've seen so again your not testing eqivelant factors.
For me, I rate a car on how the interior is composed, how the exterior looks, how fast it can travel to 100kph and how well it can handle in the corners and around a track.
Although the A4 isn't a track car it would still be fun to take it out now and then and it gives an indication of how the driving dynamics are.
Your initial post was the one that looked like all that matters is the 0-100kph and seriously "LOL The 335i is fast than an S4 dude. With a chip and exhaust it will destroy an RS4"; thats what a wannabe boy racer would say.
Now your on to the 1/4 mile test, the A4 hasn't been tested for that yet either from what I've seen so again your not testing eqivelant factors.
For me, I rate a car on how the interior is composed, how the exterior looks, how fast it can travel to 100kph and how well it can handle in the corners and around a track.
Although the A4 isn't a track car it would still be fun to take it out now and then and it gives an indication of how the driving dynamics are.
Your initial post was the one that looked like all that matters is the 0-100kph and seriously "LOL The 335i is fast than an S4 dude. With a chip and exhaust it will destroy an RS4"; thats what a wannabe boy racer would say.
