DIY Oil change and oil level.
06-30-2019, 01:27 PM
#161
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Oh heck, you are so right. I'll just use my wife's Mobil 1 0w-20 AFE oil in the Audi. It's not a 502.00 or 504.00 oil but since manufacturer approvals don't matter I should be just fine.
Last edited by uberwgn; 06-30-2019 at 04:46 PM.
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06-30-2019, 03:18 PM
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In industry/engineering the usual division of labor is that customer chooses from a list of available specifications which are defined by an industry standards body. The material is tested and certified by the manufacturer or by a specialty design firm. It is highly unusual for the end user to design his own specification and then test it. Such a thing could happen in a case of some secret but then of course would not b certified/made public. So for example Boeing would call for a certain Ti alloy part to some ASTM specification, Precision Castparts manufactures and tests the components. Boeing could also in some critical application hire a specialty testing company to additionally test and confirm.
So can someone here provide a similar line of dots for the oil? If not, I am skeptical.
06-30-2019, 03:52 PM
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People on this forum are asking questions about what type of oil to use. A manufacturer approval is not wordplay. Manufactures look for an oil to prioritize properties that are more and less important to them.
You must be joking referring to various approvals as "wordplay". So there is no difference in oil properties of a low-SAPS 504.00 oil (this will usually be a 5w-30 weight) and say a full-SAPS 5w-40 oil intended more for racing use? GTFO!
The fact is you stated your 5w-40 oil was 504.00 approved and it is not. It is in line with the 502.00 standard that placed a higher premium on wear protection (and resulted in higher intake deposits). The 504.00 standard is low-SAPS and has a very high priority on intake valve carbon deposits, some say at the cost of wear (though my UOA does not bear this out).
This is not wordplay and these are not small differences.
I don't know of any 5w-40 weight oils that have passed the 504.00 cert. You want people to believe that every single manufacture of oil decided they simply shouldn't submit their 5w-40 oil for the 504.00 process. Or is it more likely that the properties chemists' blend in 5w-40 oils tend to not pass the strict deposit accumulation standard that is a priority of low-SAPS oils.
You must be joking referring to various approvals as "wordplay". So there is no difference in oil properties of a low-SAPS 504.00 oil (this will usually be a 5w-30 weight) and say a full-SAPS 5w-40 oil intended more for racing use? GTFO!
The fact is you stated your 5w-40 oil was 504.00 approved and it is not. It is in line with the 502.00 standard that placed a higher premium on wear protection (and resulted in higher intake deposits). The 504.00 standard is low-SAPS and has a very high priority on intake valve carbon deposits, some say at the cost of wear (though my UOA does not bear this out).
This is not wordplay and these are not small differences.
I don't know of any 5w-40 weight oils that have passed the 504.00 cert. You want people to believe that every single manufacture of oil decided they simply shouldn't submit their 5w-40 oil for the 504.00 process. Or is it more likely that the properties chemists' blend in 5w-40 oils tend to not pass the strict deposit accumulation standard that is a priority of low-SAPS oils.
06-30-2019, 03:57 PM
#164
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Can you or anyone else here provide unambiguous answers to the following. Who writes, in other words designs, not asks for, the specification? Who tests the oil to certify the specification? Is the test a simulated one (i.e. meets certain characteristics) as opposed to actual operation in the ultimate machine?
In industry/engineering the usual division of labor is that customer chooses from a list of available specifications which are defined by an industry standards body. The material is tested and certified by the manufacturer or by a specialty design firm. It is highly unusual for the end user to design his own specification and then test it. Such a thing could happen in a case of some secret but then of course would not b certified/made public. So for example Boeing would call for a certain Ti alloy part to some ASTM specification, Precision Castparts manufactures and tests the components. Boeing could also in some critical application hire a specialty testing company to additionally test and confirm.
So can someone here provide a similar line of dots for the oil? If not, I am skeptical.
In industry/engineering the usual division of labor is that customer chooses from a list of available specifications which are defined by an industry standards body. The material is tested and certified by the manufacturer or by a specialty design firm. It is highly unusual for the end user to design his own specification and then test it. Such a thing could happen in a case of some secret but then of course would not b certified/made public. So for example Boeing would call for a certain Ti alloy part to some ASTM specification, Precision Castparts manufactures and tests the components. Boeing could also in some critical application hire a specialty testing company to additionally test and confirm.
So can someone here provide a similar line of dots for the oil? If not, I am skeptical.
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...-1.22.2018.pdf
"Audi engines must always use engine oils that conform to the applicable Audi oil quality standard. No other engine oils may be used (this also applies when the engine oil is topped off between services)."
Why not just follow their requirement?
06-30-2019, 04:22 PM
#165
Audi publishes a list of products that meet Audi Oil Quality Standards:
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...-1.22.2018.pdf
"Audi engines must always use engine oils that conform to the applicable Audi oil quality standard. No other engine oils may be used (this also applies when the engine oil is topped off between services)."
Why not just follow their requirement?
https://www.audiusa.com/content/dam/...-1.22.2018.pdf
"Audi engines must always use engine oils that conform to the applicable Audi oil quality standard. No other engine oils may be used (this also applies when the engine oil is topped off between services)."
Why not just follow their requirement?
06-30-2019, 04:27 PM
#166
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You state 'Amsoil European Car Formula', which sounds singular, and then blast 4 different VW applicable specs after it. Vague at best. People here had asked for actual oil recommendations and that is what I gave. The one 504.00 Amsoil was on my list if you look back.
https://online.lubrizol.com/relperftool/pc.html#
With the above link one can compare relative strengths/weaknesses of different builder specifications.
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07-01-2019, 05:03 AM
#167
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Is it not you that is trying to confuse people? Consult the list posted by CFLQTRO for oils Audi has approved. Amsoil has one oil that has the 504.00 builder approval, as I stated. The others, including the one you use I believe to be in the vein of 502 oils but Audi doesn't actually certify that oil for 502.00 use.
You state 'Amsoil European Car Formula', which sounds singular, and then blast 4 different VW applicable specs after it. Vague at best. People here had asked for actual oil recommendations and that is what I gave. The one 504.00 Amsoil was on my list if you look back.
https://online.lubrizol.com/relperftool/pc.html#
With the above link one can compare relative strengths/weaknesses of different builder specifications.
You state 'Amsoil European Car Formula', which sounds singular, and then blast 4 different VW applicable specs after it. Vague at best. People here had asked for actual oil recommendations and that is what I gave. The one 504.00 Amsoil was on my list if you look back.
https://online.lubrizol.com/relperftool/pc.html#
With the above link one can compare relative strengths/weaknesses of different builder specifications.
I went with Pennzoil Platinum Euro LX 0W-30 because it’s a 504 and one of the few available at the 0W cold viscosity. I’m in the frozen north and figure the engine can use all the help it can get.
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/...041/11356222-P
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uberwgn (07-01-2019)
07-12-2019, 12:36 PM
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Dude thanks for this! This is by far the cheapest 504 i've been able to find. Has anyone had any long term experience with it? Seems too good to be true! 3 5qt for 110$
07-14-2019, 04:13 PM
#169
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It might be interesting, if one could extort the 504.x and 507.x standards from VWG, because US oils will typically meet the API/SAE specs only, and Mobil one is a CF rated oil, suitable for diesels in general, which today often means turbo diesels.
Many oils can meet many specs--but you don't get the VWG approval until you pay up and submit samples for testing. Which of course might "freeze' your product when you wanted to "improve" it in the future.
Might be worth asking, since the Mobil1 is half the price.
Many oils can meet many specs--but you don't get the VWG approval until you pay up and submit samples for testing. Which of course might "freeze' your product when you wanted to "improve" it in the future.
Might be worth asking, since the Mobil1 is half the price.
07-14-2019, 05:13 PM
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It might be interesting, if one could extort the 504.x and 507.x standards from VWG, because US oils will typically meet the API/SAE specs only, and Mobil one is a CF rated oil, suitable for diesels in general, which today often means turbo diesels.
Many oils can meet many specs--but you don't get the VWG approval until you pay up and submit samples for testing. Which of course might "freeze' your product when you wanted to "improve" it in the future.
Might be worth asking, since the Mobil1 is half the price.
Many oils can meet many specs--but you don't get the VWG approval until you pay up and submit samples for testing. Which of course might "freeze' your product when you wanted to "improve" it in the future.
Might be worth asking, since the Mobil1 is half the price.