It seems like you can't be an Audi lover and even have any respect for American cars. Give your vote
11-16-2003, 09:27 PM
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Re: American car companies, with some notable exceptions have lost the desire
I just read in Car and Driver they only plan to make the GTO for three years, and only 18k units a year. After that, who knows. Almost a good idea.
11-16-2003, 09:50 PM
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One (old) man's cars
1947 Chev Aerosedan...new
1951 Chev 2dr coach...new
1954 Olds Super 88...used w/2400 miles on it-great car
1951 Buick Special...used good car
1963 Pontiac SW new...worst car I ever owned-a GM disgrace and unsafe to boot
1962 Plymouth Valiant...used good car
1972 Peugeot 504 new best car I ever owned for 17 years
1974 Renault 12TL new good car
1984 Peugeot 505 new still own VG car
1987 Audi 4000S new...flat cornering nice car, small annoyances
1991 Audi 100 new..too many failures but I like it, wife's car
2004 Audi A6 Multitronic 3.0 like it.....we'll see!
And that's my story
1951 Chev 2dr coach...new
1954 Olds Super 88...used w/2400 miles on it-great car
1951 Buick Special...used good car
1963 Pontiac SW new...worst car I ever owned-a GM disgrace and unsafe to boot
1962 Plymouth Valiant...used good car
1972 Peugeot 504 new best car I ever owned for 17 years
1974 Renault 12TL new good car
1984 Peugeot 505 new still own VG car
1987 Audi 4000S new...flat cornering nice car, small annoyances
1991 Audi 100 new..too many failures but I like it, wife's car
2004 Audi A6 Multitronic 3.0 like it.....we'll see!
And that's my story
11-17-2003, 01:13 AM
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most the new one's suck. the old one's rule though
superbee / road runner, GTO, 55-57 chevies, old corvettes, 65-68 mustangs + mustang boss, the "5 dead guys in the trunk" late 40's-early 50's cars, 68-era camaro (but only that one), smokey and the bandit era trans am, LINCOLN CONTINTENTAL (suicide door era), lots of good old ones.
new ones though are few and far between. I don't mind the caddy cts. I absolutely hate hummer h2's.
new ones though are few and far between. I don't mind the caddy cts. I absolutely hate hummer h2's.
11-17-2003, 04:31 AM
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A friend who has a PhD in polymer chemistry, and used to supply resins to the
automotive interiors industry, agrees on Audi interiors. She says there are none better in a mass-market car. She'll point at stuff in an Audi, reel off a long chemical name, tell you how it was fabricated, and then tell you why it's a superior material choice and manufacturing technique.
11-17-2003, 04:45 AM
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Agree- but laughing at your post..
Perhaps the only differences between American car buyers and us are that we EXPECT the warranty to fix all the crap that breaks, and we are Horrified at the loss in value of our cars, while the American car buyer has given up.
I have certainly had some lousy American cars over the years, but then again, most have been more trouble free than my last 2 Audis... and certainly a lot less expensive.
American cars are what they are.. inexpensive, decent transportation for the masses.
I have certainly had some lousy American cars over the years, but then again, most have been more trouble free than my last 2 Audis... and certainly a lot less expensive.
American cars are what they are.. inexpensive, decent transportation for the masses.
11-17-2003, 04:48 AM
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Ow.. saying any Triumph is better made..
You must have gotten the only TR8 out of the Coventry plant, between work stoppages, strikes and parts problems, that was fully assembled when shipped 
11-17-2003, 05:24 AM
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Me too, but how is that possible? They'll take a great concept and compromise it until it's cr@p.
In a perfect world, the new GTO and the new Mustang will trigger a rash of powerful American coupes and convertibles with sophisticated suspensions, transmissions, brakes and strong engines.
But most Mustangs sold will be a high-volume $23,000 version which will have a primitive pushrod V6, tall, cheap tires, ugly wheels and the usual weaknesses in materials. As usual, this low-buck, high-volume model (with Fisher-Price plastics and the usual base Ford electronics and components) will really form the foundation for the "better" Mustangs.
So, when they decide on base stuff like control arms, glass, window switches, they will be thinking "cheap" and those same compromises will be in the Mustang GT or Cobra.
A better move for them would be to create a true high quality Cougar, using first quality stuff from the ground up. Of course, that would put a great car in Linc-Mercury dealers; which is the last place anyone would look for a great car.
But most Mustangs sold will be a high-volume $23,000 version which will have a primitive pushrod V6, tall, cheap tires, ugly wheels and the usual weaknesses in materials. As usual, this low-buck, high-volume model (with Fisher-Price plastics and the usual base Ford electronics and components) will really form the foundation for the "better" Mustangs.
So, when they decide on base stuff like control arms, glass, window switches, they will be thinking "cheap" and those same compromises will be in the Mustang GT or Cobra.
A better move for them would be to create a true high quality Cougar, using first quality stuff from the ground up. Of course, that would put a great car in Linc-Mercury dealers; which is the last place anyone would look for a great car.
11-17-2003, 06:29 AM
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My new 99 Grand Cherokee and 00 GMC Yukon XL were both bought back under the lemon law.
American Trucks were/are great, but the Japanese Competition is soon going to dominate that market as well.
The cars? Come on, they just don't appeal to anyone who likes European ride, handling and styling.
Their best attempts at that segment have at best been also-ran's. If they could find their way out of the 'cheap interior materials' section of the cheezy design warehouse, they might have something with the Lincoln LS V8 and Caddilac CTS-V, but between the dealership experiences and the crappy plastics and unartful designs, they're still not 'getting it'.
The cars? Come on, they just don't appeal to anyone who likes European ride, handling and styling.
Their best attempts at that segment have at best been also-ran's. If they could find their way out of the 'cheap interior materials' section of the cheezy design warehouse, they might have something with the Lincoln LS V8 and Caddilac CTS-V, but between the dealership experiences and the crappy plastics and unartful designs, they're still not 'getting it'.