moAr Paddles
02-03-2009, 01:53 PM
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have any of you played with the paddles on an auto 335i?
I like how you can use them even if you are turning the wheel. Both sides have plus and minus. Something like push to go a gear lower, pull to go a gear higher. I'd like to see this come to Audi.
that is all.
I like how you can use them even if you are turning the wheel. Both sides have plus and minus. Something like push to go a gear lower, pull to go a gear higher. I'd like to see this come to Audi.
that is all.
02-03-2009, 03:03 PM
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Those are a horrible excuse for paddle shifters...A true paddle
shifter is mounted on the steering column rather than the steering wheel, so regardless of how much you have turned the wheel it is accessible and distinguishable...all the steering wheel mounted shifters are cheap imitation of the real thing...
Thats just my 2 cents
Thats just my 2 cents
02-03-2009, 06:30 PM
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From where do you fabricate your facts?
stop stating opinion as fact. Explain how your hands ... which are on the steering wheel ... wouldn't find steering mounted paddles accessible and distinguishable. Have you ever driven either on the track? I have. I strongly prefer the steering wheel mounted paddles. Column mounted always feel a little awkward in tight corners. Plus .. what on earth are you referencing as the "real thing"?
02-04-2009, 10:28 AM
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Heck no! Every other real paddle car uses left paddle to go down, right paddle to go up.
Ferrari, Lambo, race cars, etc. It's very clear and consistent that way. Paddles come from race cars. If race cars use that system, then that must be the logical way to do it. If we are to use "race" technology on street cars, then why mangle it?
All I know is that when I go charging into a corner and execute a triple downshift, that I don't need to remember which side of the paddles I am supposed to place my fingers, and then switch or remember to place the other hand the opposite way, so I can upshift upon exit.
And since you aren't supposed to be shifting while cornering (hard anyway) paddles with ears that extend up or down, should provide enough coverage, eh? ;-) Or do they not extend very far on the BM?
Here they are on the luxo-boat cruiser 612.
<img src="http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-def/Ferrari-612-Scaglietti-Paddle-Shift-Pedal-1280x960.jpg">
All the Tiptronic cars in VAG use push to upshift, and pull to downshift, when using the shifter console. They have been roundly lambasted by people used to the other direction, used on all other cars. The early adopters have been trained to use them one way, and not whatever way the marketing dept deemed might set them apart.
For street cars, something like Alfa's Q-System makes the most sense. Looks just like a manual. Feels like a manual. Only thing missing is the 3rd pedal. Absolutely minimal adaptation required since anybody using paddles, has a grasp of how a manual works in theory if not reality;-)
<img src="http://squadra-tuning.nl/oude_site/156/156-9.jpg"><ul><li><a href="http://wardsautoworld.com/ar/auto_alfa_romeo_solves/">http://wardsautoworld.com/ar/auto_alfa_romeo_solves/</a</li></ul>
All I know is that when I go charging into a corner and execute a triple downshift, that I don't need to remember which side of the paddles I am supposed to place my fingers, and then switch or remember to place the other hand the opposite way, so I can upshift upon exit.
And since you aren't supposed to be shifting while cornering (hard anyway) paddles with ears that extend up or down, should provide enough coverage, eh? ;-) Or do they not extend very far on the BM?
Here they are on the luxo-boat cruiser 612.
<img src="http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-def/Ferrari-612-Scaglietti-Paddle-Shift-Pedal-1280x960.jpg">
All the Tiptronic cars in VAG use push to upshift, and pull to downshift, when using the shifter console. They have been roundly lambasted by people used to the other direction, used on all other cars. The early adopters have been trained to use them one way, and not whatever way the marketing dept deemed might set them apart.
For street cars, something like Alfa's Q-System makes the most sense. Looks just like a manual. Feels like a manual. Only thing missing is the 3rd pedal. Absolutely minimal adaptation required since anybody using paddles, has a grasp of how a manual works in theory if not reality;-)
<img src="http://squadra-tuning.nl/oude_site/156/156-9.jpg"><ul><li><a href="http://wardsautoworld.com/ar/auto_alfa_romeo_solves/">http://wardsautoworld.com/ar/auto_alfa_romeo_solves/</a</li></ul>
02-04-2009, 11:53 AM
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Very cool Alfa system there, April!
That's a setup that I wouldn't mind having. And it does solve the "what gear am I in?" conundrum quite elegantly without taking your eyes off the road.
Do you know if that's an in-house system or supplied by someone else?
Do you know if that's an in-house system or supplied by someone else?
02-04-2009, 12:53 PM
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I vaguely recall a few other car makers doing similar, but not in the US market and not
exactly the same. It's basically an auto like any other. Only the interface is different. It's been suggested they went to this, as they didn't have time or money for a whole new console. Alfa went to the conventional Tiptronic type interface for the later 159 and Brera.
The Selespeed system (only available on 4 cyl cars - functionally like true F1) has proven to be very problematic.
The Selespeed system (only available on 4 cyl cars - functionally like true F1) has proven to be very problematic.
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02-04-2009, 02:15 PM
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Allow me to clarify and dont be quick to give me your personal
preference before you know all the facts...I am a hardcore fan of Top Gear/ Fifth Gear, as well as an avid car enthusiast, and from what I have gathered, most if not all the exotic super cars are column mounted...the reason for the confusion that I stated was that if you have the down shift on the left side of the steering wheel and the up shift on the right side of the steering wheel and you have turned the wheel 180 degrees or more, you will have difficulty processing which side the correct shift is on...however, given that we have Luxury Saloon cars, and we don't really drive them on the track, you probably won't run into this problem...I am no stranger to the track...trust me on this...I guess it all depends on the track and the car, friend...
