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Old 12-16-2012, 03:00 PM
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Hello Carter,
I just read your email and it is a tough call to make, yes to me it sounds like the MMI CH is on it's way out, as it shows "Address 07: Control Head Cannot be reached"
, but did you remove the copied NAV DVD Disc from NAV unit and leave the NAV unit empty and see what it did, also where are you ?

Have you done anything besides the battery with the vehicle ?
I know you said you took the control panel apart for cleaning, are all the buttons moving freely ? And I mean any and every button that has to do with anything running through the MMI system.

If all these are OK and NAV empty, then I would have to say go for thee MMI CH, now I know you listed the one with the "A" from A8 Parts, But do call Carl there and try to work the price on that one, as he has sold the same model to me and others at $190.00 GBP.

Also just a note, both MMI CH's from Carl at A8 Parts in the UK. did NOT go into component protection when installed in vehicles here in the United States, but MMI CH's from US cars put into US car's 1 out of 3 went into component protection here, and that is $100.00 to $150.00 USD.

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Edit: OKay, I can see now from email that you are in the UK.
I don't think I can drive across the pond to help you ....
Good Luck in your repair, and you can pm me your phone number and I will call you if you need help walking through.

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So I am having the same problem you are remember ?

Although I am still waiting for the VAGCOM cable to come-- I solved the dead battery portion, well kinda, I pulled the 30amp and 5 amp fuse controlling the NAV and the Sound System (Left side of boot)... this has cured my dead battery problem. But obviously still not the problem as a whole.

Hopefully we can compare scans when I get mine

Cheers !
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Originally Posted by Greekss
So I am having the same problem you are remember ?

Although I am still waiting for the VAGCOM cable to come-- I solved the dead battery portion, well kinda, I pulled the 30amp and 5 amp fuse controlling the NAV and the Sound System (Left side of boot)... this has cured my dead battery problem. But obviously still not the problem as a whole.

Hopefully we can compare scans when I get mine

Cheers !

Yeh that seemed to work for me too. however i did not pull the 5amp only 30amp, but will pull 5amp and see results.

does anyone know why this has happened? is it because of the mm ecu CH gone bad?
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJ A6Q
Hello Carter,
I just read your email and it is a tough call to make, yes to me it sounds like the MMI CH is on it's way out, as it shows "Address 07: Control Head Cannot be reached"
, but did you remove the copied NAV DVD Disc from NAV unit and leave the NAV unit empty and see what it did, also where are you ?

Have you done anything besides the battery with the vehicle ?
I know you said you took the control panel apart for cleaning, are all the buttons moving freely ? And I mean any and every button that has to do with anything running through the MMI system.

If all these are OK and NAV empty, then I would have to say go for thee MMI CH, now I know you listed the one with the "A" from A8 Parts, But do call Carl there and try to work the price on that one, as he has sold the same model to me and others at $190.00 GBP.

Also just a note, both MMI CH's from Carl at A8 Parts in the UK. did NOT go into component protection when installed in vehicles here in the United States, but MMI CH's from US cars put into US car's 1 out of 3 went into component protection here, and that is $100.00 to $150.00 USD.

PM in-box

Edit: OKay, I can see now from email that you are in the UK.
I don't think I can drive across the pond to help you ....
Good Luck in your repair, and you can pm me your phone number and I will call you if you need help walking through.

Johnny J J
i rang carl, he quoted £200 not bad but i remeber you posted this http://www.ebay.com/itm/03-AUDI-A8-M...item2ec173c360 is there any reason why i shouldnt go for this cheaper one? as its cheaper and same part and he delivers to uk..

haha imagine if we could.. yeh ill take you up on that offer when i finally get the part.
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Originally Posted by Greekss
Im having a similar problem my dude...


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Address 07 Control Head
2 Fault Codes found
02095 - Component Protection Active

01042 Control Module; Not Coded


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Address 53 Parking Brake

Rear Pads Worn

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Address 56 Radio
Cannot Be Reached

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Address 77 Telephone

No Faults Found
or DTC not sent by controller
or a communication error occurred






and im pretty sure the MMI is draining my BATT-- as I can see the screen come on, but it doesnt flip up anymore and no button light up whatsoever....

I will fully scan mine as soon as this Ross tech cable gets here
greeks higlighted in red this code suggests, you need to go dealer so they can remove component protection, only dealer can remove protection, or it will not function coreectly or even at all.
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Originally Posted by carterleeds
Yeh that seemed to work for me too. however i did not pull the 5amp only 30amp, but will pull 5amp and see results.

does anyone know why this has happened? is it because of the mm ecu CH gone bad?
I literally just recieved my cable... I am going to guess either our Control Module went south or that there is a break in the optical ring somewhere... hence the NAV and MMI keep trying to start up.

Ill let you know
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well ive been fiddling with mine today. seems to be a funny connection with the cd changer. everytime i wiggle the fibre optic connection, it seems to boot up up fine. duno if its just me, but;

ive now put back in all fuses and left everything the way it was, making sure the mmi was working, while trying to make sure the cd changer dosent move the slightest. so will check in the morning if the battery has died or stayed alive. this wil then give me a more clear idea of whats draining the battery and why the mmi is frezzing.

if battery still dies then i know its the mmi ecu control module. if it dosent die then its the cd changer or the nav as the red light seems to stay on even after shut down of the car, dont know if thats normal but e.g. lock little brother in boot with iphone light and tell him to sit tight for 5mins and watch the red light on nav.

i have however still ordered the control head mmi ecu from lithunia via ebay for £152 including shipping, will take 7 days to arrive, but its a small price to pay if it is that which has gone.
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I literally just recieved my cable... I am going to guess either our Control Module went south or that there is a break in the optical ring somewhere... hence the NAV and MMI keep trying to start up.

Ill let you know[/QUOTE]

yes please post your scan aswelll
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Get ready for a long one...







VCDS Version: Release 11.11.4 (x64)
Data version: 20120807

Tuesday,18,December,2012,01:18:04:20182

Chassis Type: 4E0
Scan: 01 02 03 05 06 07 08 09 0E 15 16 17 19 25 34 36 37 38 42 46
47 4F 52 53 55 56 61 62 65 67 72 76 77

VIN: WAULL44E05N016353 Mileage: 125080km/77721miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
06-Seat Mem. Pass -- Status: Malfunction 0010
07-Control Head -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
0E-Media Player 1 -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: Malfunction 0010
34-Level Control -- Status: Malfunction 0010
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: Malfunction 0010
37-Navigation -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
38-Roof Electronics -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: Malfunction 0010
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
53-Parking Brake -- Status: Malfunction 0010
55-Xenon Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: Malfunction 0010
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Malfunction 0010
67-Voice Control -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: Malfunction 0010
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine Labels: 077-910-560-BFM.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 560 J HW: 4E0 907 560
Component: 4.2L V8/5V G 0010
Revision: --H01--- Serial number: AUX3Z0E2760743
Coding: 0007773
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 285F32C89BBDCD58495

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0110 1101

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09E-927-156.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 156 S HW: 09E 927 156 A
Component: AG6 09E 4,2L5V USA 0020
Revision: --H01--- Serial number: 0055131
Coding: 0000002
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 326BD0A0AD61B788E71

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4E0-910-517.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 517 B HW: 4E0 614 517 BC
Component: ESP 5.7 allrad H44 0510
Coding: 0008597
Shop #: WSC 02313 000 00000
VCID: 224B20E0FD812708171

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. Labels: 4E0-910-131.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 131 HW: 4E0 909 131 D
Component: FBS AUDID3 H04 0140
Revision: 01404004 Serial number: AUX3Z0E2760743
Coding: 0410624
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: D8BFC2086B5D3DD8B95

Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: ELV XXXX

No fault code found.

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Address 06: Seat Mem. Pass Labels: None
Part No SW: 4E0 910 760 C HW: 4E0 959 760
Component: Sitzmemory BFS H08 0060
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 5DS 008 795-03
Coding: 3940448
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 234525E4E29B2E001C7

No fault code found.

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Address 07: Control Head Labels: 4E0-910-7xx-07.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 730 G HW: 4E0 035 729
Component: Interfacebox H43 1070
Coding: 0000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 244726F8E795293865D

2 Faults Found:
02095 - Component Protection Active
000 - -
01042 - Control Module; Not Coded
000 - -

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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: None
Part No SW: 4E0 910 043 B HW: 4E0 820 043 C
Component: KLIMAAUTOMAT 016 0400
Revision: 00000030 Serial number: 00000000063534
Coding: 1052993
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 1C371E18DFE511F8DDD

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 4E0-910-279.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 279 L HW: 4E0 907 279 L
Component: ILM Fahrer H12 0210
Coding: 0123123
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 3169DFACA8678C909EB

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4E1 910 113 B
Component: Wischer WWS D3 H50 0400
Coding: 00000037
Shop #: WSC 02313

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4E0 910 557 Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH10 0050
Coding: 00139548
Shop #: WSC 02313

No fault code found.

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Address 0E: Media Player 1 Labels: 4E0-910-111.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 111 E HW: 4E0 035 111 A
Component: CD-Changer H44 0430
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUZ5ZBD7100617
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 1B351D04DAEB16C0D47

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 4E0-910-655-84.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 655 A HW: 4E0 959 655 E
Component: Airbag 8.4E+ H10 0920
Coding: 0530707
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 244726F8E795293865D

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 4E0-910-549.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 549 HW: 4E0 953 549
Component: Lenksäulenmodul H13 0040
Coding: 0012041
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: E5C1FBFC2C2F9030323

Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: Lenkradmodul H05 0080

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments Labels: 4E0-910-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 950 G HW: 4E0 920 950 G
Component: KOMBIINSTR. VDO H53 0210
Revision: D05 Serial number: AUDID3E2004131
Coding: 0016233
Shop #: WSC 26110 444 11239
VCID: 285F32C89BBDCD58495

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 4E0-910-468.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 468 B HW: 4E0 907 468 E
Component: Gateway H10 0080
Revision: 10 Serial number: 1900305228004D
Coding: FCFE7BDD1B7104
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 275D31F496A3C22040F

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 4E0-910-131.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 131 HW: 4E0 909 131 D
Component: FBS AUDID3 H04 0140
Revision: 01404004 Serial number: AUX3Z0E2760743
Coding: 0410624
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: D8BFC2086B5D3DD8B95

Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: ELV XXXX
XXXXXXXXXXX ELV XXXX

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 34: Level Control Labels: 4E0-910-553.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 553 H HW: 4E0 907 553 F
Component: LUFTFDR.-CDC H06 4480
Coding: 0015510
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 285F32C89BBDCD58495

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: None
Part No SW: 4E0 910 760 C HW: 4E0 959 760
Component: Sitzmemory FS H08 0060
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 5DS 008 795-03
Coding: 4071530
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 234525E4E29B2E001C7

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 37: Navigation
Cannot be reached

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 38: Roof Electronics Labels: 4E0-910-135.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 135 A HW: 4E0 907 135
Component: Dachknoten D3 H02 0090
Serial number: 00000504600001
Coding: 0003477
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 1D31131CC4FF18F02A3

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 4E1-910-802-42.lbl
Part No SW: 4E1 910 802 B HW: 4E1 959 801 B
Component: Türsteuer.FS BRM003 0060
Coding: 0028204
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 204F2AE8F38D3518015

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 4E0-910-289.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 289 A HW: 4E0 907 289
Component: Komfortgeraet H04 0040
Revision: 00400004 Serial number: W040503120193
Coding: 0065086
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 275D31F496A3C22040F

Part No: 4E0 910 853
Component: Heckdeckel H06 0060

Part No: 4E0 907 719
Component: Neigungssensor H03 0020

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 47: Sound System
Cannot be reached

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II Labels: None
Part No SW: 4E0 910 280 A HW: 4E0 907 280 A
Component: ILM Beifahrer H09 0040
Revision: Serial number: 00000000058590
Coding: 0010111
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 1E331410C9F903E8339

Part No: 4E0 910 511 A
Component: UGDO HL US H02 0030

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 4E1-910-802-52.lbl
Part No SW: 4E1 910 802 B HW: 4E1 959 802 B
Component: Türsteuer.BF BRM003 0060
Coding: 0028204
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 204F2AE8F38D3518015

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 53: Parking Brake Labels: 4E0-910-801.clb
Part No SW: 4E0 910 801 A HW: 4E0 907 801
Component: EPB AV1C1010 H01 1010
Revision: AV1C1010
Coding: 0000532
Shop #: WSC 26110 444 85836
VCID: 1D31131CC4FF18F02A3

1 Fault Found:
02596 - Rear Brake Pads Worn
008 - Implausible Signal

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Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 4E0-910-357.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 357 HW: 4E0 907 357
Component: Pre-AFS H01 0040
Revision: 00000001 Serial number:
Coding: 0000001
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: E2CBE0E03D01E708D71

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio Labels: 4E0-910-541.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 541 F HW: 4E0 035 541 E
Component: TUNER EU/US/RDW H42 0480
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 396CQ057506163
Coding: 0000002
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 234525E4E29B2E001C7

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 61: Battery Regul. Labels: 4E0-910-181.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 181 C HW: 4E0 915 181 C
Component: J0644 BEM H12 0510
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000000003886
Shop #: WSC 26110 444 89120
VCID: 204F2AE8F38D3518015

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4E0 915 105 A
Component: von VA0 1503140098
Coding: 344530393135313035412056413031353033313430303938
Shop #: WSC 00000 128 00289

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 4E0-910-802.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 802 A HW: 4E0 959 801 C
Component: Türsteuer.HL BRM003 0060
Coding: 0028204
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 1E331410C9F903E8339

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 4E0-910-273.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 273 HW: 4E0 907 273
Component: Reifendruck 2 H01
Revision: 00010028 Serial number: 00000700031154
Coding: 0232125
Shop #: WSC 26110 444 89120
VCID: DFCDE9140E73CAE0F8F

No fault code found.

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Address 67: Voice Control Labels: 4E0-910-75x-67.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 753 S HW: 4E0 035 753 A
Component: SDS 3501 US H45 0550
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000502280146
Shop #: WSC 12336 024 394758
VCID: 3561EBBC5C0FA0B0C23

No fault code found.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 4E0-910-802.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 802 A HW: 4E0 959 802 C
Component: Türsteuer.HR BRM003 0060
Coding: 0028204
Shop #: WSC 02311 785 00200
VCID: 1E331410C9F903E8339

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist Labels: 4E0-910-283.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 283 A HW: 4E0 919 283 B
Component: Parkhilfe 8-Kan H12 0020
Revision: --.--.-- Serial number: 08720506402069
Coding: 0001208
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 21492FECF8873C100EB

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone Labels: 4E0-910-336.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 336 A HW: 4E0 862 335
Component: Handyvorb2 H10 0120
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000007518507
Coding: 0010900
Shop #: WSC 02313 785 00200
VCID: 21492FECF8873C100EB

No Faults Found
or DTCs not supported by controller
or a communication error occurred

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Optical test make no damn sense... first one came back all good for all aspects the next three though...


Tuesday,18,December,2012,01:24:39:20182
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.4 (x64)
Control Module Part Number: 4E0 910 468 B
Component and/or Version: Gateway H10 0080

Optical Bus Diagnostic : Standard

Controller Electrical Optical
19-CAN Gateway OK ERROR
07-Control Head ERROR ERROR
0E-Media Player 1 OK ERROR
77-Telephone OK ERROR
47-Sound System OK ERROR
67-Voice Control OK ERROR
56-Radio OK ERROR
37-Navigation ERROR ERROR




Tuesday,18,December,2012,01:25:38:20182
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.4 (x64)
Control Module Part Number: 4E0 910 468 B
Component and/or Version: Gateway H10 0080

Optical Bus Diagnostic : Standard

Controller Electrical Optical
19-CAN Gateway OK OK
07-Control Head(High/D3) OK ERROR
0E-Media Player 1 OK OK
77-Telephone OK OK
47-Sound System OK OK
67-Voice Control OK OK
56-Radio OK OK
37-Navigation OK OK


Tuesday,18,December,2012,01:26:36:20182
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.4 (x64)
Control Module Part Number: 4E0 910 468 B
Component and/or Version: Gateway H10 0080

Optical Bus Diagnostic : Standard

Controller Electrical Optical
19-CAN Gateway OK ERROR
07-Control Head ERROR ERROR
0E-Media Player 1 OK ERROR
77-Telephone OK ERROR
47-Sound System ERROR ERROR
67-Voice Control OK ERROR
56-Radio OK ERROR
37-Navigation OK ERROR


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