My Dealer takes a deposit on a S8 !!
10-04-2005, 02:36 PM
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My Dealer takes a deposit on a S8 !!
Well, no names here but my dealer in the UK just took a deposit (£3000) on an S8 !!
Expected end Q1 very provisionally. 475BHP V10 with 7 speed auto !!
My lips are sealed......
Expected end Q1 very provisionally. 475BHP V10 with 7 speed auto !!
My lips are sealed......
10-04-2005, 04:05 PM
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COOL...
That was be the euro engine, wont the cars coming to the states be slightly less than that?
I really need to know what they are asking. I would assume the normal A8 is $70-75, the S8 would be a $15k option right? $85-90k for the S8 would be quite a temptation.
I really need to know what they are asking. I would assume the normal A8 is $70-75, the S8 would be a $15k option right? $85-90k for the S8 would be quite a temptation.
10-05-2005, 02:37 AM
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475 bhp? Now if that's true, that's a *bit* more interesting
There really didn't seem to be that much point changing one 450 bhp A8 with sport suspension for another, unless there's something novel in it.
The W12 is a little under-utilised at 450 bhp IMHO, getting the same bhp/litre as the old S8's 4.2 V8 engine would give the W12 somewhere in the region of 514 PS, so I'd hope more than 450 would be possible without too much effort, so although 475 bhp would be nice, it's not really much to warrant an additional £15k over the 4.2, as even the W12 engine isn't that expensive, given that some W12 cost comes from all the toys it has as standard.
A 7 speed gearbox would qualify as novel enough, but I'd be surprised as I haven't noticed ZF bringing a 7-speed box out, and re-engineering the ASF for a different gearbox fit would take up a valuable 'slot' in the factory's capacity (when I went a year ago, there was one 'slot' spare for a future aluminium model, although the demise of the A2 might have released one, and Lambo production has ceased at Neckarsulm). We'll have to wait and see on that one.
Interesting price point too; similar to the W12. I wonder what the market differentiation will really be over the W12, seeing as the W12 comes with a lot of luxury features at that price. I'd like to see the S8 come with ceramic brakes in that price, but then I'd like to win the lottery too... ;-)
I'll have to sound out my A8 advocate, but he usually knows a lot less on these things than I do. I really should teach him to use the Internet!
The W12 is a little under-utilised at 450 bhp IMHO, getting the same bhp/litre as the old S8's 4.2 V8 engine would give the W12 somewhere in the region of 514 PS, so I'd hope more than 450 would be possible without too much effort, so although 475 bhp would be nice, it's not really much to warrant an additional £15k over the 4.2, as even the W12 engine isn't that expensive, given that some W12 cost comes from all the toys it has as standard.
A 7 speed gearbox would qualify as novel enough, but I'd be surprised as I haven't noticed ZF bringing a 7-speed box out, and re-engineering the ASF for a different gearbox fit would take up a valuable 'slot' in the factory's capacity (when I went a year ago, there was one 'slot' spare for a future aluminium model, although the demise of the A2 might have released one, and Lambo production has ceased at Neckarsulm). We'll have to wait and see on that one.
Interesting price point too; similar to the W12. I wonder what the market differentiation will really be over the W12, seeing as the W12 comes with a lot of luxury features at that price. I'd like to see the S8 come with ceramic brakes in that price, but then I'd like to win the lottery too... ;-)
I'll have to sound out my A8 advocate, but he usually knows a lot less on these things than I do. I really should teach him to use the Internet!
10-05-2005, 05:02 AM
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I'm afraid it is not true
In fact, the 5.2L FSI V10 in the S8 will produce 450 hp and 406 lbs/ft of torque. For it's first model year, the S6 and S8 will only come with the ZF 6-speed tiptronic automatic transmission (AL700 I believe). From their second model year onward, the S6 and S8 will only come with a 7-speed DSG transmission (the Borg Warner DL700 and not the Ricardo DL1,300 or DL1,400 from the Bugatti Veyron as that DSG won't fit in the C6 and D3 platforms). The DL700 and DL500 (both built by Borg Warner) were specifically designed for the C6, D3 and B8 platforms, the platform that the R9 (the production version of the LeMans) will be on and the platform that the Q7 will be on. The RS 6 will have the 7-speed DSG right from the start (either the Borg Warner DL700 or an all new DL800 by Borg Warner that would also be specifically designed for the C6, D3 and B8 platforms, the platform that the R9 will be on and the platform that the Q7 will be on).
10-05-2005, 06:34 AM
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Re: My Dealer takes a deposit on a S8 !!
I have clarified with my dealer. You are misinformed about the gearbox, it is definitley a 7 speed unit. My choice of automatic prob confused. It is DSG, but as you know this has an auto program.
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10-05-2005, 11:39 AM
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Sounds like one should wait for the 2nd year S8 and get the DSG tranny. I'm not sure I want another ZF tranny since I was planning on keeping my next S8 for awhile past warranty. Does the '04D3 have the ZF AL700 as you described in your post?