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Old 08-19-2012, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by s4master1
... the half we can see almost looks that it came off too easy, specially the roof should at least be twisted.
Good point.
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Yes, I am familiar with the dry sump used in the R8 engines.

Back to the ASF, register a complaint with NHTSA. Heck, if this really becomes an epidemic, someone who expressed concerns on a forum and who is registerd with the state of California could become embroiled in public action. Might want to talk to your legal representatives.
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/specia..._crash_003.jpg

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimag...diA8crash1.jpg

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/sh...da3-vs-Audi-A8

pay attention to the electrical power line pole on the ferrari crash.
look closer at the trees on both directions on the RS6 crash.
look at the A8 head on collision with a mazda 3, mazda passengers survive A8 driver in a coma.
you be the judge.
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Contact NHTSA if you have a complaint. They will investigate if necessary due to the TREAD act. They will respond to all inquiries. They may choose to tell you to go pound sand up your a$$, but they will respond. Have your ducks in a row when contacting them. If you are not expressing concern of your own vehicle but instead going to cite your years of being a Master Mechanic servicing X Thousand vehicles over this period, best to have a PE's statement along with yours.

Do you feel the same way about the D2 and D4 ASF? If so, why not consult with/to Audi and help them out with the D5 design as I plan to purchase a two year old one around 2019 when my 2004 D3 that you preached all of us should get rid of as they would fall apart last year (Mine has about 174,000 miles on the clock). I plan to get an R8 prior to that as a toy. Any problems with them based on your knowledge?

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Originally Posted by s4master1
http://www.wreckedexotics.com/specia..._crash_003.jpg

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimag...diA8crash1.jpg

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/sh...da3-vs-Audi-A8

pay attention to the electrical power line pole on the ferrari crash.
look closer at the trees on both directions on the RS6 crash.
look at the A8 head on collision with a mazda 3, mazda passengers survive A8 driver in a coma.
you be the judge.

So has anyone on this board been in a serious accident in their A8? Did it save their life? Did you feel safe in the vehicle?
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Originally Posted by s4master1
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/sh...da3-vs-Audi-A8

pay attention to the electrical power line pole on the ferrari crash.
look closer at the trees on both directions on the RS6 crash.
look at the A8 head on collision with a mazda 3, mazda passengers survive A8 driver in a coma.
you be the judge.
That one is a steel-bodied A6, and I will guess that the Mazda 3 hit the Audi at an angle. At any rate, that's what the IIHS calls a "small overlap crash", of which very few cars actually do very well at. Audi A4, Mercedes C-class, and Lexus IS all did very poorly in the small overlap crash test performed by the IIHS.
http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr081412.html

Safety is a big concern of mine, so I have done a lot of research and have seen many photos. I've actually seen a LOT of German cars split in half, not just the Audi A8, but A4s and A6s as well. I've also seen Mercedes and BMWs split in half. It actually seems to be more common with more expensive cars.

http://mbworld.org/forums/off-topic/...rains-rip.html
http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-n...-split-in-half
http://makeverydaystuff.blogspot.com...iption-41.html

It's really not uncommon if you scour the web for crash pics. I don't believe the aluminum-bodied A8 is any less safe than any other German car. I'm just hypothesizing, but I think the reason a lot of presumably safe cars break in half is for these reasons:

- Speed. German luxury cars often have big, fast engines.
- More high strength steel. I'm no engineer, but usually hardened steels (and aluminum) are less ductile than regular steel. If that's true, then that could very well explain why high dollar cars split in half while lower cost cars wrap themselves around poles.

With all the split-in-half pics of cars I've seen - cars that get top marks in safety, I personally don't think this is anything to get into a panic over. It could happen in any car. It's also possible that had this been an American car that wrapped itself around the pole, there may have been more than just the 1 fatality.
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Originally Posted by GnatGoSplat
That one is a steel-bodied A6, and I will guess that the Mazda 3 hit the Audi at an angle. At any rate, that's what the IIHS calls a "small overlap crash", of which very few cars actually do very well at. Audi A4, Mercedes C-class, and Lexus IS all did very poorly in the small overlap crash test performed by the IIHS.
http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr081412.html

Safety is a big concern of mine, so I have done a lot of research and have seen many photos. I've actually seen a LOT of German cars split in half, not just the Audi A8, but A4s and A6s as well. I've also seen Mercedes and BMWs split in half. It actually seems to be more common with more expensive cars.

http://mbworld.org/forums/off-topic/...rains-rip.html
http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-n...-split-in-half
http://makeverydaystuff.blogspot.com...iption-41.html

It's really not uncommon if you scour the web for crash pics. I don't believe the aluminum-bodied A8 is any less safe than any other German car. I'm just hypothesizing, but I think the reason a lot of presumably safe cars break in half is for these reasons:

- Speed. German luxury cars often have big, fast engines.
- More high strength steel. I'm no engineer, but usually hardened steels (and aluminum) are less ductile than regular steel. If that's true, then that could very well explain why high dollar cars split in half while lower cost cars wrap themselves around poles.

With all the split-in-half pics of cars I've seen - cars that get top marks in safety, I personally don't think this is anything to get into a panic over. It could happen in any car. It's also possible that had this been an American car that wrapped itself around the pole, there may have been more than just the 1 fatality.
Thanks for confirming that is an A6. I was 90% certain but I figured the certified Audi master mechanic who has repaired or oversaw tens of thousands of repairs would have caught the error in the article.
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If a collision is so forceful that it splits car in half or wrap it around pool all occupants are dead by default. Every survivor should start celebrating new birthday and stop buying lottery.
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That's true, although I have actually read more miracle survival stories about cars that have split in half where occupants only suffered minor injuries vs wrapped around a pole.
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Not sure if there is any statistic to support that, but it sounds logical.
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.. I can offer that that sounds plausible, and the physics kind of backs it up too. As they say with parachuting, it's not the height of the drop that kills you, but the sudden stop at the end. If a vehicle hits a pole/tree/transformer/Arnie and stops immediately, the massive G-loads, I would say, are what cause the most damage to the human body. If the car splits, and the deceleration is reduced over distance and time (airbag and inertia reel seat belt principles), then fragile little us may stand more chance of surviving.

I've dealt with both/all scenarios- person stays in car, sudden stop, dead as a door nail. Person stays in modern car, sudden stop, pissed off at the damage and pain. Person flung from car after car suddenly stops or splits? Grab a straw, and hope it's the long one.

I'd say pretty much every collision is unique, but either way, the energy involved is massive. It really is the luck of the draw.

Message from this? Know your limits and don't drive like a ****. A fast car does not a skilled driver make. If you've been drinking, you should be man enough (or lady enough..) to admit that you shouldn't be near the steering wheel, and any real friends should also stop you.
It's hard for me to have sympathy in this situation, as after we've finished sweeping up body parts, it's for us to tell the parents, and them to deal with every good memory of their child being wiped out by the only thing they'll be remembered for. 'He was a drunk driver'.

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That's true, although I have actually read more miracle survival stories about cars that have split in half where occupants only suffered minor injuries vs wrapped around a pole.
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