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Old 02-06-2019, 04:38 AM
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If you help woman into cars these days, you are both patronizing them and it is a form of sexual harassment as well.
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If you help woman into cars these days, you are both patronizing them and it is a form of sexual harassment as well.
IF (Big IF) the woman objects then you are correct. However, at my wife’s and my age, it still viewed as Chivalrous.

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IF (Big IF) the woman objects then you are correct. However, at my wife’s and my age, it still viewed as Chivalrous.

Sure, its fine if its your wife but don't try that with the feminist, man haters or woman in power.
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Yeesh! This was about the fact that my wife has trouble pivoting into the sports seat without a grab loop. Also she is short and the headrest doesn’t adjust. It will be a challenge in 2 years when lease is up.
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If you help woman into cars these days, you are both patronizing them and it is a form of sexual harassment as well.
My woman told me she likes it when I open the door for her.
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Ya know what? Just be courteous to everyone. Help anyone into the car, or hold the door for anyone behind you, etc. That way, it's all good. Just treat everyone how you'd want to be treated. No one ever objected to having a door held for them per se; they objected to how that act was interpreted and projected as a signifier of power relationships based on gender. Strip that away, and make it an act of courtesy, and you're golden. Of course, yes, some people of whatever persuasions will always be wiling to make a federal case out of anything but really, I've found over the years that extending courtesy to all and sundry, regardless of who they are, pretty much works all the time.
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Where I work everyone opens the door for everyone.
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Originally Posted by TheWombat
Ya know what? Just be courteous to everyone. Help anyone into the car, or hold the door for anyone behind you, etc. That way, it's all good. Just treat everyone how you'd want to be treated. No one ever objected to having a door held for them per se; they objected to how that act was interpreted and projected as a signifier of power relationships based on gender. Strip that away, and make it an act of courtesy, and you're golden. Of course, yes, some people of whatever persuasions will always be wiling to make a federal case out of anything but really, I've found over the years that extending courtesy to all and sundry, regardless of who they are, pretty much works all the time.

I totally agree, but there may be some people who cannot accept the gesture of opening a car door as anything other than a “power play.” Many years ago, when I was singles, some of the women I dated, when I opened my car door for them, would comment, “I can open my own door.” Most often that was a first — and last —date for us. As TheWombat said, I was trying to be a gentleman, not a “domineering male.”

To each his own, but respect can be shown without it being a gender-based power play. Just my 2 cents and, as always, YMMV.

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Originally Posted by TheWombat
Ya know what? Just be courteous to everyone. Help anyone into the car, or hold the door for anyone behind you, etc. That way, it's all good. Just treat everyone how you'd want to be treated. No one ever objected to having a door held for them per se; they objected to how that act was interpreted and projected as a signifier of power relationships based on gender. Strip that away, and make it an act of courtesy, and you're golden. Of course, yes, some people of whatever persuasions will always be wiling to make a federal case out of anything but really, I've found over the years that extending courtesy to all and sundry, regardless of who they are, pretty much works all the time.
Do you open car doors for men? If not, you are demeaning woman when you open the car door for them. Woman has equal rights and they want to be treated equal, they are certainly capable of opening the car door themselves. It might make you feel more like a man when you open car doors for woman but some woman do not want to be treated differently from men.
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Originally Posted by Nikon1
To each his own, but respect can be shown without it being a gender-based power play. Just my 2 cents and, as always, YMMV.
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Plus 1. Gender be damned. Young, old, Male, Female, LGBTQ, and all races I hold the door for anyone close to my 6.
If people can't handle common courtesy we are evolving in the wrong direction.

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