Latest dealer remedy for face-planting - a novella
05-12-2003, 10:12 AM
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Latest dealer remedy for face-planting - a novella
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/40578/m-ar_mods_1b.jpg"></center><p>I had my car in the dealership and informed the dealer about my 'hesitation' issue and my concerns about my non-reponsive accelerator pedal. I also provided the service writer with the information about the coding of my ECM for the ETC. Because the diagnostic tool this dealer uses (?) revealed that I had the '1414' coding and not the latest '1717 or 1718' coding. I thought a software upgrade was in order.
Interestingly, as this forum reveals, the vehicle does provide a real-world, real-time fault code (the T-bone, face plant code), although there is no 'visual (high resolution display) shows-up-at-the dealership' fault code.
My dealer does not appreciate software revisions, which leads me to believe the following: either everyone at this establishment uses only DOS, or nobody there has ever purchased any MicroSoft products!
So, until the car is in the shop, showing a fault code (insert - Blah, Blah, Blah)... I was given the following instructions in order to accelerate quickly away from a standing start, or while going into a corner if my foot has not been off of the brake for 2 seconds: turn off the ESP!
This real-time scenario of this issue reminds of the time that I had to accept at the ripe old age of 16, that a .030 over-bored 289 cu. in. engine, even when outfitted with an electronic ignition and wires, a nicely profiled cam, headers, dual exhaust (with an h-pipe, thank you very much), high rised AL intake, ported, polished and profiled, 3-way valve jobbed, dbl. valve springed heads, high-compression pistons (10.5 to one - these were the old days) will only flow 670 cfm. Putting on the Holley 750 dual-feed, double pumper (because it was free) only caused my vehicle to behave like the Audi allroad, replete with the $800 MTM chip that I would buy some 25 years later. It would fall on its face upon accelerating, albeit for different reasons. It actually had/has the same feel, however! Crazy, huh? The mustang, though, could at least be power-braked, and to end the saga on a positive note, I did buy the appropriate 650 cfm Holley.
So, while turning off the ESP prior to giving my car 'the gas,' seems to be a simple enough action to take, it also seems to a somewhat ignorant action to take. Yeah, I understand the entire binary process that is going on with the car and its electronic baby-sitter. I also appreciate the fact that I can defeat the baby-sitter. It just seems that this car should behave better than it does.
Do any of you folks have a remedy to this issue, or can you direct me to a ZF rep?
In closing, have I told you wonderful people about the 2002 Passat that we had for 12 months that had a zillion coil pack failures? That is what my allroad frequently feels like, but smoother! I want to believe that the upgraded software will eliminate this problem in my allroad.
Interestingly, as this forum reveals, the vehicle does provide a real-world, real-time fault code (the T-bone, face plant code), although there is no 'visual (high resolution display) shows-up-at-the dealership' fault code.
My dealer does not appreciate software revisions, which leads me to believe the following: either everyone at this establishment uses only DOS, or nobody there has ever purchased any MicroSoft products!
So, until the car is in the shop, showing a fault code (insert - Blah, Blah, Blah)... I was given the following instructions in order to accelerate quickly away from a standing start, or while going into a corner if my foot has not been off of the brake for 2 seconds: turn off the ESP!
This real-time scenario of this issue reminds of the time that I had to accept at the ripe old age of 16, that a .030 over-bored 289 cu. in. engine, even when outfitted with an electronic ignition and wires, a nicely profiled cam, headers, dual exhaust (with an h-pipe, thank you very much), high rised AL intake, ported, polished and profiled, 3-way valve jobbed, dbl. valve springed heads, high-compression pistons (10.5 to one - these were the old days) will only flow 670 cfm. Putting on the Holley 750 dual-feed, double pumper (because it was free) only caused my vehicle to behave like the Audi allroad, replete with the $800 MTM chip that I would buy some 25 years later. It would fall on its face upon accelerating, albeit for different reasons. It actually had/has the same feel, however! Crazy, huh? The mustang, though, could at least be power-braked, and to end the saga on a positive note, I did buy the appropriate 650 cfm Holley.
So, while turning off the ESP prior to giving my car 'the gas,' seems to be a simple enough action to take, it also seems to a somewhat ignorant action to take. Yeah, I understand the entire binary process that is going on with the car and its electronic baby-sitter. I also appreciate the fact that I can defeat the baby-sitter. It just seems that this car should behave better than it does.
Do any of you folks have a remedy to this issue, or can you direct me to a ZF rep?
In closing, have I told you wonderful people about the 2002 Passat that we had for 12 months that had a zillion coil pack failures? That is what my allroad frequently feels like, but smoother! I want to believe that the upgraded software will eliminate this problem in my allroad.
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05-12-2003, 02:52 PM
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Re: Latest dealer remedy for face-planting - a novella
From your photo, it appears that you went to Pacific Audi in S. Cal. If that's the case, change dealer. I went in there last month (helping my wife to look for a new car), and discussed my allroad's brake problem w/ them. The manager said "I never heard of such problem." I looked at him, disbelieved, and walked out without buying a car from them (don't think they will be helpful at all w/ my allroad).
05-12-2003, 02:56 PM
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Anyone that trys to start their car in 2nd or 3rd gear. Anyone that drop
their RPMS so far down between shifts. Then it's standard lag.
For those that drive the 6spd correctly, there is almost zero lag, ever!
For those that drive the 6spd correctly, there is almost zero lag, ever!