stage III - is it really that expensive?
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Those numbers seem fairly accurate, but the flavor of turbo will also effect that efficiency above "20psi". For example, with my K04/RS6 or K04/997 snails were happier than the PJK04s above 20psi. I ran 27psi on 93oct making 460whp. Impressive, but honestly not that controllable for the track.
The air inlets requirement is the same as for the RS4 turbos, yes. However, the design won't require expensive intercooler upgrades. The charged air will be cooler than what a "PJ" K04 would do.
Speaking of the air inlets, what's the consensus on pricing? They can be had for ~250USD on Ebay. And for a lot more through various high performance suppliers. Are these things being over-specced in most cases? Seems to me like this should be a $150 dollar item.
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, the design won't require expensive intercooler upgrades. The charged air will be cooler than what a "PJ" K04 would do.
Speaking of the air inlets, what's the consensus on pricing? They can be had for ~250USD on Ebay. And for a lot more through various high performance suppliers. Are these things being over-specced in most cases? Seems to me like this should be a $150 dollar item.
Speaking of the air inlets, what's the consensus on pricing? They can be had for ~250USD on Ebay. And for a lot more through various high performance suppliers. Are these things being over-specced in most cases? Seems to me like this should be a $150 dollar item.
As for the inlets, I have heard of RS4 inlet knockoffs, but I haven't heard anyone's results. Here's one set from 034 . I have heard there are cheaper ones on eBay.
What 1/4mile, FATS, or dyno numbers have these snails been able to make?
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It's too early to say. We haven't yet begun beta testing on them. Obviously a key question will be the software to apply. That's why I was asking about Uni's 440cc RS6 file. GIAC's Stage 3 for PJ-K04s also seems pretty aggressive. I don't understand the inclusion of "Green Top" injectors in their fueling kit. They have the wrong spray pattern.
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It's too early to say. We haven't yet begun beta testing on them. Obviously a key question will be the software to apply. That's why I was asking about Uni's 440cc RS6 file. GIAC's Stage 3 for PJ-K04s also seems pretty aggressive. I don't understand the inclusion of "Green Top" injectors in their fueling kit. They have the wrong spray pattern.
The alternative is to use the RS4 injectors, but they are fuel starved too quickly for most Stg3 people. I haven't heard much about Unitronics tuning. Where are they located?
As I mentioned before, custom tuning is the best option. EPLs rates make it comparable with APR or AWEs fueling kit. (Get your own turbos installed, drive to them, they'll install larger MAF and injectors, then tune your car)
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Here's an S4 injector guide on the S4 wiki
http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Fuel_injectors
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Anyone that buys a BIG turbo is not want to cut themselves short on power. Are 440s too small for the capability of the FrankenTurbo?
Here's an S4 injector guide on the S4 wiki
http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Fuel_injectors
Here's an S4 injector guide on the S4 wiki
http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Fuel_injectors
Bosch "Green Giants" are rated for ~440cc at 3bar, so used in a 4bar environment like found on the S4 they have plenty of headroom for a 450hp tune.
I find this calculator to also be handy. But I've bookmarked that Wiki page. It's really useful.
The F4H-BT is not a BIG turbo. It falls right alongside the RS6.
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What do you think about these guys?
http://kmdtuning.com/index.php?_a=vi...productId=1831
http://kmdtuning.com/index.php?_a=vi...productId=1831
How about these?
http://www.034motorsport.com/product...ducts_id=18518
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