Transmission trouble. I help needed.
02-17-2012, 09:01 PM
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It all comes down to parts or payments...I, for example, just paid for parts i.e. Axle shaft, VC gaskets, Cam plugs..and proud of it, because in the long run, these relatively inexpensive parts will keep a car of this kind on the road for decades to come..and yes I said decades, if One were to be so inclined...
02-17-2012, 11:57 PM
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Where are you located, BTW? You obviously know a lot. So, did those earlier Passats have a lot of tranny problems? I thought the TQ issue was more specific to the allroads, but you obviously know more. I was looking at earlier Passats, but worried about starting from scratch fixing a bunch of stuff like I did with the AR, though I finally realized that AR was never gonna stop. Seemed cost effective to get a newer, lower mileage, certified car, while I try to focus on some emotional recovery from my allroad's constant sucking of my soul. If I got another older car, I figured I may just start pouring $$ into that and end up in the same predicament.
02-18-2012, 10:55 AM
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yes the v8's had the 24 which had more problems than the 19 lol. the whole tranny would fail on those. in the 19 i believe its just the torque conveter and reverse. although i do not hear too much about the reverse. is it really that big of a deal? i hear the torque conveter and its something i am not planning to spend on my a6. is there anything that can be done to help these 2 problems? frequent oil changes any oil additives?
02-18-2012, 11:30 AM
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yes the v8's had the 24 which had more problems than the 19 lol. the whole tranny would fail on those. in the 19 i believe its just the torque conveter and reverse. although i do not hear too much about the reverse. is it really that big of a deal? i hear the torque conveter and its something i am not planning to spend on my a6. is there anything that can be done to help these 2 problems? frequent oil changes any oil additives?
02-18-2012, 03:21 PM
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The torque converter seal material that ZF used was not very good. They revised the seal in the replacement torque converters though, so it's supposed to last and not fall apart. I have pics of the broken seal on mine.
Frequent ATF oil changes will not save it IMO.
As for the D/G brake drum, I heard they reduced the machining depth where the clip that holds the brake/clutch plates inside of it, so it has more metal on the end and should not crack with the newer version. The D/G drum was revised a little earlier in production transmissions than the seal in the torque converter, so there may not be as many issues out there to report. The tranny uses the D/G drum circuit when slowing down also, not just reverse. On the BMWs, when the D/G drum fails, its no reverse at all, since the edge breaks off completely. The Allroad uses a giant c-clip that holds the drum in the case, so when the drum cracks, the clip holds the edges in place, so you end up with a weak reverse. Eventually, the D circuit piston o-ring gets cut from hyper extending in the cracked drum and then you loose reverse all together.
Frequent ATF oil changes will not save it IMO.
As for the D/G brake drum, I heard they reduced the machining depth where the clip that holds the brake/clutch plates inside of it, so it has more metal on the end and should not crack with the newer version. The D/G drum was revised a little earlier in production transmissions than the seal in the torque converter, so there may not be as many issues out there to report. The tranny uses the D/G drum circuit when slowing down also, not just reverse. On the BMWs, when the D/G drum fails, its no reverse at all, since the edge breaks off completely. The Allroad uses a giant c-clip that holds the drum in the case, so when the drum cracks, the clip holds the edges in place, so you end up with a weak reverse. Eventually, the D circuit piston o-ring gets cut from hyper extending in the cracked drum and then you loose reverse all together.
02-18-2012, 04:42 PM
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when this fails what is a good idea to do? rebuild or new? level ten does rebuilds for 500 and so does 517 tran. who/what would be the best candidate?
02-18-2012, 04:49 PM
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The torque converter seal material that ZF used was not very good. They revised the seal in the replacement torque converters though, so it's supposed to last and not fall apart. I have pics of the broken seal on mine.
Frequent ATF oil changes will not save it IMO.
As for the D/G brake drum, I heard they reduced the machining depth where the clip that holds the brake/clutch plates inside of it, so it has more metal on the end and should not crack with the newer version. The D/G drum was revised a little earlier in production transmissions than the seal in the torque converter, so there may not be as many issues out there to report. The tranny uses the D/G drum circuit when slowing down also, not just reverse. On the BMWs, when the D/G drum fails, its no reverse at all, since the edge breaks off completely. The Allroad uses a giant c-clip that holds the drum in the case, so when the drum cracks, the clip holds the edges in place, so you end up with a weak reverse. Eventually, the D circuit piston o-ring gets cut from hyper extending in the cracked drum and then you loose reverse all together.
Frequent ATF oil changes will not save it IMO.
As for the D/G brake drum, I heard they reduced the machining depth where the clip that holds the brake/clutch plates inside of it, so it has more metal on the end and should not crack with the newer version. The D/G drum was revised a little earlier in production transmissions than the seal in the torque converter, so there may not be as many issues out there to report. The tranny uses the D/G drum circuit when slowing down also, not just reverse. On the BMWs, when the D/G drum fails, its no reverse at all, since the edge breaks off completely. The Allroad uses a giant c-clip that holds the drum in the case, so when the drum cracks, the clip holds the edges in place, so you end up with a weak reverse. Eventually, the D circuit piston o-ring gets cut from hyper extending in the cracked drum and then you loose reverse all together.
02-18-2012, 07:34 PM
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that.is.not.what.i.wanted.to.hear! lol. so this torque conveter problem is suppose to happen on all 5hp-19? what about the FWD 2.8 2001?
when this fails what is a good idea to do? rebuild or new? level ten does rebuilds for 500 and so does 517 tran. who/what would be the best candidate?
when this fails what is a good idea to do? rebuild or new? level ten does rebuilds for 500 and so does 517 tran. who/what would be the best candidate?
02-19-2012, 05:48 AM
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02-19-2012, 08:35 AM
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