andrewling

Even if they decided to build in the USA in early 2023, its going to be years before we actually have Audi's being built in the USA.

wstevecollins54

Yeah, the best option would be to have the Q4 manufactured in Mexico where they are currently building the plug-in Q5, one of the few vehicles still eligible for a tax credit since it’s manufacturers in North America.

SCarGuy

Audi doesn’t care about the rebates. What they care primarily about are their lead times. They, like many, are abysmal, and not getting better.

They will use the Puebla factory to make Q4s at a minimum, but you’re years away from this happening in the first place (internal estimates were 2027 before I left).

AudiEV

wouldn’t the id4 plant at Chattanooga be much easier to adapt given same MEB platform?

TonySCV

FYI, Audi is currently passing on the $7,500 tax credit if you lease... no income qualifications necessary. So you'll see that reflected as cap cost reduction for your lease term, which should make leasing a much more attractive option than financing at least until the IRS loophole is closed.

https://electrek.co/2023/04/05/how-t...it-by-leasing/

jmiller31

We never lease and last month when we were buying the wifes Q4 they told us we couldn't get the $7500 but never mentioned the lease until we got to the finance manager who told us about the loophole so we switched to a lease. It was a nice little way to save a lot of money.

JNealCox

Down the road you could always buy out your lease, if you want to own. I think that will cost 1K or so in fees, etc.

nly04

Can you explain to me how the lease work and how the lease save you $7500?
My dealer in Fremont Ca. offer $8500 lease discount plus $1500 dealer discount (total $10K) for the 2023 Q4 E-tron 50 P+ with sticker price at $65000 MSRP. They offer me 36months lease (12K miles/year) with monthly at $880 (total of $31,680) if I end lease any time before that I must pay the remain of the lease contract. The offer sale price after the lease is $36,900. So the car end up is at $36,900 + $31,680= $68580. Plus what ever fee and tax.

I want to buy it. what is the best purchase price everyone get for the Q4?

AudiEV

In California you’re buyout economics is

purchase price net of lease rebate
+ tax on credits
+ inception fee
+ CA tax all remaining payments

Alternatively you can calculate the same number as:
Total monthly payments for term (incl tax)
+residual
-rent charge for remaining months
+ tax on credits
+ inception fee

sbt007

Your calculation is not quite right, because it includes 36 months of interest payments.
What would happen is this, since your lease discount is 10K, the base price in your lease would show up as 55K, with a buyout of 36.9K.
One month after your lease, you could buy it out by going to the audi website. It will be probably 54.5K. You still have to pay 9% CA taxes on it. If the car was 65K, you would pay taxes on 65K. So yes, you are getting the discount. The only loss is the $500-$750 lease initiation fee. There are some other fees I'm not mentioning here. The lease payments are high because the interest rates are very hight right now and so the audi lease factor is high also. You do not have to wait until 36 months is over to buy it out, this is how it is has worked on every Audi and BMW i have had. But please ask your dealer to connect with the fiance specialist and ask them if there is any restriction if you need to buy out the car after 6 months. Audi typically reduces the car price (55K in your case) by the amount of principal payment each month and gives a buyout value each month. Which will start from 55K and end at 36.5K after 36 months. Hope this makes sense.