Electric System Malfunction
#1411
Audi/VAG have cut corners everywhere after losing billions in the Dieselgate fiasco. It's likely that the accountants forced a decision to go with a more "cost-effective" BSG solution by producing an analysis that the inevitable failures would be cheaper to deal with than the cost of a more robust BSG in every car up-front.
#1412
AudiWorld Super User
As a long term Audi owner, I am *shocked* VAG is even proactively replacing BSGs. Audi usually (and other OEMs) lets existing customers ride out issues. E.g. B7 flat tappet cam followers, oil starvation issues in the D4, etc. I'm grateful to Audi for fixing BSGs proactively. The Q8 subforum always intrigues me for all the wrong reasons (sorry). Audi did not legally have to do this is my take on it (which is why it's not a recall) but they chose to anyway.
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dwboston (06-24-2024)
#1413
AudiWorld Member
Mercedes Benz has their 48V lithium ion batteries failing. I'd much rather a BSG fail, but I must admit I did SMH reading the last few comments in this thread.
As a long term Audi owner, I am *shocked* VAG is even proactively replacing BSGs. Audi usually (and other OEMs) lets existing customers ride out issues. E.g. B7 flat tappet cam followers, oil starvation issues in the D4, etc. I'm grateful to Audi for fixing BSGs proactively. The Q8 subforum always intrigues me for all the wrong reasons (sorry). Audi did not legally have to do this is my take on it (which is why it's not a recall) but they chose to anyway.
As a long term Audi owner, I am *shocked* VAG is even proactively replacing BSGs. Audi usually (and other OEMs) lets existing customers ride out issues. E.g. B7 flat tappet cam followers, oil starvation issues in the D4, etc. I'm grateful to Audi for fixing BSGs proactively. The Q8 subforum always intrigues me for all the wrong reasons (sorry). Audi did not legally have to do this is my take on it (which is why it's not a recall) but they chose to anyway.
Having said that, I don't think honda or kia would have dealt with it this way, then probably would have been more proactive.
But it's like a lot of things today. If you are a believer, you'll justify anything. As a 2nd audi owner, this will probably be the last one. It's just a very uncomfortable feeling to take a trip in.
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kelisko (06-24-2024)
#1414
EXTRACT:
Car manufacturer Audi and supplier Vitesco have been arguing for months about a part called a belt starter generator. Who is responsible for the damage, who has to pay for the replacement, when will Vitesco deliver enough? Now the situation is escalating. Billions of euros could be at stake.
Audi has been using the parts supplied by Vitesco in six- and eight-cylinder engines since 2018; The discord began with models with these drives having more and more misfires. There is talk of a good 1,000 claims per week at Audi, sometimes a few more, sometimes less. In any case, for the USA, Audi boss Gernot Döllner and his people have decided on a service campaign, it should start shortly: customers can take their cars to the workshop they trust and the belt starter generators will be replaced free of charge. This is not a recall, that's what the few people at Audi who talk about the topic emphasize.
The original problem has been found. Vitesco, however, assumes that Audi's building regulations are to blame. The way Audi ordered, the parts simply couldn't last indefinitely. Audi sees it differently. Vitesco is responsible...
#1415
AudiWorld Super User
if we were talking honda or Kia or something like that, I would maybe agree about them.not having to do something. This Brand is supposed to be high end high tech, which carries an expectation of.expensive repairs on normal items ( brakes, etc), bug when it's been a defective part as shown by early failures, admit the production error and move on. I have a '19 Q8 and you would think we would have gotten a notice already. But no.
Having said that, I don't think honda or kia would have dealt with it this way, then probably would have been more proactive.
But it's like a lot of things today. If you are a believer, you'll justify anything. As a 2nd audi owner, this will probably be the last one. It's just a very uncomfortable feeling to take a trip in.
Having said that, I don't think honda or kia would have dealt with it this way, then probably would have been more proactive.
But it's like a lot of things today. If you are a believer, you'll justify anything. As a 2nd audi owner, this will probably be the last one. It's just a very uncomfortable feeling to take a trip in.
I might agree with you if this was Rolls Royce but as an owner of one let me tell you it doesn't happen to RR, either. And no, I don't own the flagship Phantom, either.
These are cars, not airplanes, for one. People don't die as a result of BSGs failing. Driving is a privilege, not a right, and is far, safety wise, from aviation. If there was truly a safety/legal issue here then this would have been a flat out recall. This isn't, for a reason.
To be fair, nothing lasts indefinitely
Last edited by angrypengu; 06-24-2024 at 06:14 AM.
#1416
#1417
AudiWorld Member
Hard disagree. Honda, Kia, Mercedes, Audi, are *all* mass produced cars. The Q8 isn't even a flagship car, and yet here Audi is replacing it on every single 48V subsystem with this BSG PN. eg. A6, A7, A8, Q7, Q8, etc.
I might agree with you if this was Rolls Royce but as an owner of one let me tell you it doesn't happen to RR, either. And no, I don't own the flagship Phantom, either.
These are cars, not airplanes, for one. People don't die as a result of BSGs failing. Driving is a privilege, not a right, and is far, safety wise, from aviation. If there was truly a safety/legal issue here then this would have been a flat out recall. This isn't, for a reason.
To be fair, nothing lasts indefinitely
I might agree with you if this was Rolls Royce but as an owner of one let me tell you it doesn't happen to RR, either. And no, I don't own the flagship Phantom, either.
These are cars, not airplanes, for one. People don't die as a result of BSGs failing. Driving is a privilege, not a right, and is far, safety wise, from aviation. If there was truly a safety/legal issue here then this would have been a flat out recall. This isn't, for a reason.
To be fair, nothing lasts indefinitely
#1418
if we were talking honda or Kia or something like that, I would maybe agree about them.not having to do something. This Brand is supposed to be high end high tech, which carries an expectation of.expensive repairs on normal items ( brakes, etc), bug when it's been a defective part as shown by early failures, admit the production error and move on. I have a '19 Q8 and you would think we would have gotten a notice already. But no.
Having said that, I don't think honda or kia would have dealt with it this way, then probably would have been more proactive.
But it's like a lot of things today. If you are a believer, you'll justify anything. As a 2nd audi owner, this will probably be the last one. It's just a very uncomfortable feeling to take a trip in.
Having said that, I don't think honda or kia would have dealt with it this way, then probably would have been more proactive.
But it's like a lot of things today. If you are a believer, you'll justify anything. As a 2nd audi owner, this will probably be the last one. It's just a very uncomfortable feeling to take a trip in.
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angrypengu (06-24-2024)
#1419
AudiWorld Member
Perhaps youre right and all maufacturers have faults, but for the amount of over engineering we are paying for, I still beleive this was and is being handled poorly. The audi loyalist will always think it was okay, but I am trying to be objective as possible. Yes I have owned many hondas etc and have never a feeling oif discomfort when driving a car waiting for the other shoe to drop. No one is perfect just hoping they can expedite this and stop the finger pointing with their supplier. Ultimately the car maker is where the buck stops. Replace them and then have your fight with Vitesco. When you sue your surgeon and the medical part was bad, you dont sue the part supplier. The buck stops with Audi.
#1420
AudiWorld Super User
Perhaps youre right and all maufacturers have faults, but for the amount of over engineering we are paying for, I still beleive this was and is being handled poorly. The audi loyalist will always think it was okay, but I am trying to be objective as possible. Yes I have owned many hondas etc and have never a feeling oif discomfort when driving a car waiting for the other shoe to drop. No one is perfect just hoping they can expedite this and stop the finger pointing with their supplier. Ultimately the car maker is where the buck stops. Replace them and then have your fight with Vitesco. When you sue your surgeon and the medical part was bad, you dont sue the part supplier. The buck stops with Audi.
Audi *did* do the right thing but you're still choosing to die on the hill that they're somehow bad. The entitlement is one thing, but in this case Audi did the right thing and you're still pissed?