This is BS...who has experience with the BC Motor Vehicle Act regarding front license plates?
08-16-2006, 10:45 PM
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YOU DA MAN! Nice! Do you have yours on the bumper like mine w/ the BC one below it? Got a pic? (m)
In fact, it could be a vinyl decal that would look the same as this one and that wouldn't make it a number plate. So why should this? That's my argument!<ul><li><a href="https://forums.audiworld.com/canada/msgs/27449.phtml">Check out what Scott W on the forum did</a></li></ul>
08-17-2006, 10:08 AM
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well, u can use that line when somebody gives u an advice, not an oppinion
when somebody gives you an oppinion you say:
"When I want your f$$$ing oppinion, I'll give it to you!" Got it? ...now repeat slowly after me :-)
"When I want your f$$$ing oppinion, I'll give it to you!" Got it? ...now repeat slowly after me :-)
08-17-2006, 06:45 PM
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The cop would have to prove that German plate is a "number plate"
and the Act should define what a number plate is, and it does ( I just checked on the BC gov't web site for Motor Vehicle Act def'ns.)
Oddly, it defines "number plate" as a number plate issued under the Act ( a bit circular eh?), so a German plate (or any other "plate", including say an Alberta plate,) cannot be a "number plate" under the Act. Theoretically, you could have 50 "plates" on the front ( or back or sides) of your car without committing an offence. Only if you also have no BC plate or an expired BC plate or a BC plate from the wrong car have you done anything wrong.
Essentially, this provision, s.13 (1)(c), can only mean you cannot display a BC number plate that has expired or is for a different car. Any other plate is irrelevant as long as the correct current number plate is also on there.
As is often the case that cop is full of $h!t.
Of course, I have no license to practice law in BC and you aren't paying my usual fees, so my "legal advice" is unreliable, but, then again I'm one of very few lawyers in Alberta that has routinely beat Multanova tickets, more than once.
Recently, I got a nice multanova ticket for speeding with a car I didn't even own on the date the camera says! That license plate, though valid, was on my garage shelf on the "date in question". That Doofus operator forgot to reset the camera date after he changed out the batteries, wonder what else he screwed up! I sense a field day on cross examination here....
Oddly, it defines "number plate" as a number plate issued under the Act ( a bit circular eh?), so a German plate (or any other "plate", including say an Alberta plate,) cannot be a "number plate" under the Act. Theoretically, you could have 50 "plates" on the front ( or back or sides) of your car without committing an offence. Only if you also have no BC plate or an expired BC plate or a BC plate from the wrong car have you done anything wrong.
Essentially, this provision, s.13 (1)(c), can only mean you cannot display a BC number plate that has expired or is for a different car. Any other plate is irrelevant as long as the correct current number plate is also on there.
As is often the case that cop is full of $h!t.
Of course, I have no license to practice law in BC and you aren't paying my usual fees, so my "legal advice" is unreliable, but, then again I'm one of very few lawyers in Alberta that has routinely beat Multanova tickets, more than once.
Recently, I got a nice multanova ticket for speeding with a car I didn't even own on the date the camera says! That license plate, though valid, was on my garage shelf on the "date in question". That Doofus operator forgot to reset the camera date after he changed out the batteries, wonder what else he screwed up! I sense a field day on cross examination here....
08-17-2006, 06:51 PM
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Nope, check the definition of what is a "number plate" and you'll find
that it has to be a BC issue plate for it to even be a "number plate" so a "foreign plate" isn't even covered.
Clearly, it shouldn't matter what numbers you have displayed on your car as long as the offical goverment issue plate is there and in the right place. All that is prohibited is dispalying a BC plate that has expired or is for a different car than issued for. Any other plate could not possibly be legally misleading, obviously.
Clearly, it shouldn't matter what numbers you have displayed on your car as long as the offical goverment issue plate is there and in the right place. All that is prohibited is dispalying a BC plate that has expired or is for a different car than issued for. Any other plate could not possibly be legally misleading, obviously.
08-17-2006, 06:58 PM
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Only lawyers should play lawyer, even for free, it's just way too complicated for
mere humans.
As long as a currently valid BC plate for the correct car is properly displayed this section does not prohibit the simultaneous display of any other device, including an erzatz ( or even a genuine) Deutsch platen.
"Number plates" from other legal jursidictions are simply not "number plates" under BC law.
And that doesn't even begin to deal with the complexity of the cop's legal case. Cops don't know the law very well, that's why Crown Prosecutors run criminal (and traffic) cases, except in backward little rural whistle stops.
Technically, a "foreign" license plate is a legal nothing unless the Crown wants to call an expert witness from the alleged foreign jurisdiction to prove as a matter of fact that it actually is a foreign number plate (conflicts of laws is one of the most complex areas of the law, even most senior prosecutors have no idea about this issue). From the law's point of view that German number plate could be just a weird advertisement for KFC...
As long as a currently valid BC plate for the correct car is properly displayed this section does not prohibit the simultaneous display of any other device, including an erzatz ( or even a genuine) Deutsch platen.
"Number plates" from other legal jursidictions are simply not "number plates" under BC law.
And that doesn't even begin to deal with the complexity of the cop's legal case. Cops don't know the law very well, that's why Crown Prosecutors run criminal (and traffic) cases, except in backward little rural whistle stops.
Technically, a "foreign" license plate is a legal nothing unless the Crown wants to call an expert witness from the alleged foreign jurisdiction to prove as a matter of fact that it actually is a foreign number plate (conflicts of laws is one of the most complex areas of the law, even most senior prosecutors have no idea about this issue). From the law's point of view that German number plate could be just a weird advertisement for KFC...
08-17-2006, 08:40 PM
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AWESOME! I love Audiworld!
<center><img src="http://lincolnparkforums.com/images/smilies/4_17_208[1].gif"></center><p>I was close though... "I'd argue that section B is saying if you display no plate at all, it's an offence. And that section C is saying that if you display a non-designated plate instead of the correct one, it's an offence. Not if you display both like me."
I'm going to print this out and keep it in my glove box for him next time!
PS My uncles live in AB, I'll look you up if they ever need help! ;-)
I'm going to print this out and keep it in my glove box for him next time!
PS My uncles live in AB, I'll look you up if they ever need help! ;-)
08-18-2006, 08:32 AM
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Display rules are in the Regulations, try this link
The Regs specify two plates, one front and one rear, they do not say "only one" and they only specify one "number plate" which as I have said before has to be a BC issued plate to be a "number plate" all other "plates" are irrelevant and not described in the Motor Vehicle Act or the Regulations.
As long as a correct properly issued BC plate is displayed as speficied in the Act and Regulations on the front and rear of the car, you are legal. A second "plate" cannot obscure or otherwise restrict the plain view of the legal plate and, most important, the legal plate must be in the correct position if specified (I didn't read all the bumpf about that, in Albeta the height and location of our rear number plate is specified in some detail). So, any additional plate can't occupy the legally specified position on your car. I'm not saying your German plate is in the wrong place, but if it is then you need to fix that.
Read the Regs and decide if your legal plate is in the correct location specified, if ther eis a correct location specified.<ul><li><a href="http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/reg/M/MotorVehicle/26_58/26_58_01.htm#part_division3">http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/reg/M/MotorVehicle/26_58/26_58_01.htm#part_division3</a</li></ul>
As long as a correct properly issued BC plate is displayed as speficied in the Act and Regulations on the front and rear of the car, you are legal. A second "plate" cannot obscure or otherwise restrict the plain view of the legal plate and, most important, the legal plate must be in the correct position if specified (I didn't read all the bumpf about that, in Albeta the height and location of our rear number plate is specified in some detail). So, any additional plate can't occupy the legally specified position on your car. I'm not saying your German plate is in the wrong place, but if it is then you need to fix that.
Read the Regs and decide if your legal plate is in the correct location specified, if ther eis a correct location specified.<ul><li><a href="http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/reg/M/MotorVehicle/26_58/26_58_01.htm#part_division3">http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/reg/M/MotorVehicle/26_58/26_58_01.htm#part_division3</a</li></ul>