A4getaboutit

What is out perform? More stopping power? Longer Range? Accuracy? The .45 is made for one purpose, to destroy its target at close range. There is no caliber that will outperform a .45 (w/ 230 g hollowpoint) in this sole purpose. Why do you think it is standard issue for U.S. Spec Ops? If you are trying to eliminate an enemy combatant and you are shooting a handgun more than about 20-25 yds, You need to reconsider your weapon. just MHO.

Mexican Audi (Shane)

channels anymore. In college I worked for a Class III mfg (Stoner Rifles/Knight Enterprises) and had access to such fun toys.

Ultimately for competition IDPA, its a matter of staying loose and taking time to aim. A 1911 with a soft spring and reduced loads seems to be the popular setup.

Mexican Audi (Shane)

2160 fps. This is a pre-fragmented round so it basically has a massive energy dump on initial contact so over penetration isnt an issue.

There are plenty of loads that will outperform the traditional .45, but they are much more exotic, and the performance differance is arguably insignificant.

Mexican Audi (Shane)

The Para Ordances just dont feel right. That fat grip doesnt work for me.

A4sp

Stoner. The Seals used them in Nam early on. They had a nice system if I recall. Couldn't you switch components around, like the base rifle could be changed to a SAW?
Yes, it seems the BT's were too good and very final. So they banned them. Go figure. I used to shoot IPSC which required loads to meet certain criteria regarding bullet weight and muzzle velocity. A 230 grain bullet at 780 fps made major caliber. A 200 grain bullet had to be moving at 1,000 fps. They would test on a Chronograph with random rounds pulled from your clips prior to competing. Amazing the amount of people who got dropped to Minor caliber class.
Are you going to Markam Park GTG or Sebring? If so we can discuss more on shooting.

A4sp

No I have not. I only have small hands so even a S&W in .45 felt uncomfortable.

Mexican Audi (Shane)

Probably Markham Park, maybe Sebring.

A4getaboutit

Agreed; Penetration is the mitigating factor here.

A4sp

I knew this would be an interesting topic. A 10mm round at it's maximum loading is like a .357 Magnum. Overkill, overpenetrating. You can download the 10 mm to shooot a 200 grain hollow point at 1,100 to 1,200 fps and be as controllable or more so than the .45 firing a 230 grain bullet. The end result will be exactly the same. Bad guy down. The 10mm has a larger mag capacity, therefore can handle more targets without a speedload. The 10mm 200 grain is more accurate than the 230 grain out of the .45. If, and I repeat if, you have to go to longer ranges the 10mm will perform better. I have shot an 18" diameter steel plate at 125 yds with both the .45 and the 10mm. From standing with the Weaver stance. With the .45 you have to aim a lot higher to get the hits. It's not the weapon, it's the person using it and his preference. I would take a small hit over a loud miss anytime.

A4getaboutit

The only difference after that is personal preference and the skill of the shooter. In a hostile situation, I would feel most comfortable with my .45; and by .45 I personally mean an HK Mk 23 or USP Tactical. 1911 styles are great however, nothing to me beats the Mk23. Two other things. I would put the Mk 23 up for accuracy tests fairly readily and the second is .45 can be found just about anywhere they sell ammo; 10mm is a little harder to find.