at the current cost of diesel this thiong would have to get mega mileage for me to consider diesel
04-21-2008, 02:12 AM
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sometimes it looks like US government is driven by oil companies
why is diesel fuel so expensive in the US? This is the way to save fuel, then government should sponsor both factories which produce diesel and individuals who buy it, at least by tax reduction. In Europe gasoline:diesel price is 1:1, and diesel car of comparable power gets 20-30% better MPG than gasoline one.
Of course if in the US diesel fuel costs 20-30% more than gasoline - what is the reason to switch to diesel? This is the perfect reason Audi does not bring diesels there.
Of course if in the US diesel fuel costs 20-30% more than gasoline - what is the reason to switch to diesel? This is the perfect reason Audi does not bring diesels there.
04-21-2008, 04:32 AM
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short term thinking...
more diesel refining capacity is coming online by late 2010 into 2011. Also by then all 50 states will have the same diesel fuel specs. But by then both gas and diesel will be so high the difference will be within 10% of each other. Diesel might actually be cheaper than regular gas like a just a few years ago.
The price is diesel compared to gas right now is distorted but will even out over the next few years as refining capacity is adjusted. However it will probably be gas rising in cost instead of diesel falling. By 2010-2011, I wouldn't be too suprised to see $7 gas and diesel.
I agree with those that think the 2.0T would have been the better choice for the US instead of the 3.2 V6. But I know Audi is hesitant for marketing reasons of putting a "small" 4 cylinder engine when the competition is putting 6 cylinders, and the customer doesn't know any better when the Lexus sales guy tells a sucker "yeah, (snicker) that Audi Q5 only has a 4-banger in it!". Meanwhile, chip that 2.0T and it will smoke the Lexus.
The price is diesel compared to gas right now is distorted but will even out over the next few years as refining capacity is adjusted. However it will probably be gas rising in cost instead of diesel falling. By 2010-2011, I wouldn't be too suprised to see $7 gas and diesel.
I agree with those that think the 2.0T would have been the better choice for the US instead of the 3.2 V6. But I know Audi is hesitant for marketing reasons of putting a "small" 4 cylinder engine when the competition is putting 6 cylinders, and the customer doesn't know any better when the Lexus sales guy tells a sucker "yeah, (snicker) that Audi Q5 only has a 4-banger in it!". Meanwhile, chip that 2.0T and it will smoke the Lexus.
04-21-2008, 12:36 PM
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2010 will be golden year for diesel. After that point diesel will meet hard times.
2011 will bring very strictly law for emission in EU.
Diesel motors, which meet that standarts will be very expencive and less effective than now.
Diesel motors, which meet that standarts will be very expencive and less effective than now.
04-21-2008, 11:15 PM
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Re: nope, more like historical reasons to me
What I've read on the subject is that there are 2 oil refining methods used around the world. One produces among others more gasoline and the other more diesel fuel. Guess which one is used in the EU and which one in the US. You guessed it right I hope.
Add to that the recent Federal mandate to produce low sulfur diesel fuel and the resulting infrastructure upgrades cost, higher demand for it and the supply / demand works its magic.
That said any fuel in the US is still half price what it's in most EU countries. Fuels are heavily taxed in the EU, very little in the US, i.e. giving the EU countries more flexibility when it comes to shifting prices. Besides EU governments have historically interfere with the economy more than the US. When was the last time a major EU company went bust without being rescued by tax payers? Almost never happens there. Companies go out of business all the time here.
Add to that the recent Federal mandate to produce low sulfur diesel fuel and the resulting infrastructure upgrades cost, higher demand for it and the supply / demand works its magic.
That said any fuel in the US is still half price what it's in most EU countries. Fuels are heavily taxed in the EU, very little in the US, i.e. giving the EU countries more flexibility when it comes to shifting prices. Besides EU governments have historically interfere with the economy more than the US. When was the last time a major EU company went bust without being rescued by tax payers? Almost never happens there. Companies go out of business all the time here.