New Car and Driver comparison of the Q5, X5 and Evoque
#11
I enjoy reading car reviews and comparos, even the ones I may not agree with.
Just because I don't agree with them doesn't make them, or the publication bad.
As far as the C&D and Consumer Reports ratings go, I don't have any major disagreements with them.
After cross shopping both (as well as the GLK which wasn't included in either review), we decided on the Q5 because it met our needs in several areas better than the X3.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Just because I don't agree with them doesn't make them, or the publication bad.
As far as the C&D and Consumer Reports ratings go, I don't have any major disagreements with them.
After cross shopping both (as well as the GLK which wasn't included in either review), we decided on the Q5 because it met our needs in several areas better than the X3.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
#12
Thanks for you comments. I couldn't help but notice that your Q5 on order will be your 4th car with a 2.0T engine and your 2nd Q5 with it. You must really like this engine. I have a Q5 on order with the 2.0T but seriously considered going with the 3.0T or waiting for the 3.0TDI. Can you share some information about this engine, performance, maintenance requirements, fuel requirments, MPG, etc. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.
The maintenance is dead simple. There is hardly any and covered by audi care. The mpg is good city great hwy. The 8 speed helps get extra mpg. How you drive affects fuel economy.
Performance of the 2.0t is excellent. You simply cannot fault the drivability of this great engine. I use shell v-power.
With all that said, the 3.0t is a superior engine and well worth it if you want to spend the money. For me, driving 90% city area with mostly shorter hwy travel around town I choose to spend the money on a better equipped car with more options such as panoramic roof as well as enjoy better mpg. But many here don't seem to have a budget constraint lol so they can have all options and the 3.0t. I prefer gasoline to diesel so the 2.0t for me hits the value/performance sweet spot. Plus the diesel will be 1000s more I am sure.
So bottom line is that the 2.0t is a kick *** all you really need engine that is proven and bullet proof though takes premium fuel like the 3.0t. The 3.0t is one of the nicest and true premium engines out there but to get a well equipped one like a 2.0t means quite some $$$ added to the bottom line.
#13
I really like this engine indeed. The first 09 a4 I had with it needed oil top every 5k. The other two not a drop. Never had one spec of engine trouble.
The maintenance is dead simple. There is hardly any and covered by audi care. The mpg is good city great hwy. The 8 speed helps get extra mpg. How you drive affects fuel economy.
Performance of the 2.0t is excellent. You simply cannot fault the drivability of this great engine. I use shell v-power.
With all that said, the 3.0t is a superior engine and well worth it if you want to spend the money. For me, driving 90% city area with mostly shorter hwy travel around town I choose to spend the money on a better equipped car with more options such as panoramic roof as well as enjoy better mpg. But many here don't seem to have a budget constraint lol so they can have all options and the 3.0t. I prefer gasoline to diesel so the 2.0t for me hits the value/performance sweet spot. Plus the diesel will be 1000s more I am sure.
So bottom line is that the 2.0t is a kick *** all you really need engine that is proven and bullet proof though takes premium fuel like the 3.0t. The 3.0t is one of the nicest and true premium engines out there but to get a well equipped one like a 2.0t means quite some $$$ added to the bottom line.
The maintenance is dead simple. There is hardly any and covered by audi care. The mpg is good city great hwy. The 8 speed helps get extra mpg. How you drive affects fuel economy.
Performance of the 2.0t is excellent. You simply cannot fault the drivability of this great engine. I use shell v-power.
With all that said, the 3.0t is a superior engine and well worth it if you want to spend the money. For me, driving 90% city area with mostly shorter hwy travel around town I choose to spend the money on a better equipped car with more options such as panoramic roof as well as enjoy better mpg. But many here don't seem to have a budget constraint lol so they can have all options and the 3.0t. I prefer gasoline to diesel so the 2.0t for me hits the value/performance sweet spot. Plus the diesel will be 1000s more I am sure.
So bottom line is that the 2.0t is a kick *** all you really need engine that is proven and bullet proof though takes premium fuel like the 3.0t. The 3.0t is one of the nicest and true premium engines out there but to get a well equipped one like a 2.0t means quite some $$$ added to the bottom line.
#14
Thanks again for the comments. Here in the states, the 3.0T is only $2300 more than a comparibly equipped 2.0T. But that is still $2300 plus the slightly less MPG. And if I ordered the 3.0T, I'd be tempted to add other options that are not available on the 2.0T! So, I think I made the right decision.
And of course... i had to add the S-Line package
... with B&O, Navigation, etc... lol.
#15
It's a nice equipped 2.0t or a ***** out fully loaded 3.0t. Not much middle ground. One is a supreme value considering how nice a car the 2.0t really is but the other is how g-d intended it to be
But not for free.
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Don't take it personally that Audi didnt win. Other companies are innovating and competing also. They aren't stupid. Like in most businesses it's a leap frog thing. Eventually the Q5 will be top rated again. ... This competition has rasied car making to an all time high. Even those lowest valued manufacturers make decent cars and the best ones make fabulous cars. ... Many of you werent around in the 60s and 70s when all cars were pretty much garbage in comparison to today
FACTOID FROM THE C&D COMPARO: While the cars braking was tested and the X3 tested the worst of the 3 cars, the tallying done to declare the "winner" did not take braking measurement into consideration. It only took the subjective "Braking Feel" which the rated the X3 superior in over the Q5 and Evoque 9 vs 7 and 7 respectively.
Free market competition makes for improved products not journalism. And it doesn't matter if someone was around in the 60's and 70's (I was BTW, 1st car was a '66 leMans). The conclusion perhaps to draw from your point actually reinforces why a trade rag comparo isn't useful to readers/buyers: All three cars are actually quite good. None are a train wreck. There is no "best", only the "best for you".
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Nobody's taken anything personally. Nothing wrong with a good review but comparisons are a useless attempt to quantify subjective judgements that only buyers can make, not have those things decided for them by journalists. It's useless to take the things C&D looked at and roll it all up into a "winner". C&D declaring a "Winner" is no reason to get an X3 over an Evoque or for that matter a Q5. I might pick the Evoque because it kills in the slalom. You might pick a Q5 because the ride has less road noise from tires. The next might skip the X3 because it brakes the worst of the bunch. Magazines serve readers by experts ferreting these things out. They make advertising revenue by declaring comparo winners.
FACTOID FROM THE C&D COMPARO: While the cars braking was tested and the X3 tested the worst of the 3 cars, the tallying done to declare the "winner" did not take braking measurement into consideration. It only took the subjective "Braking Feel" which the rated the X3 superior in over the Q5 and Evoque 9 vs 7 and 7 respectively.
Free market competition makes for improved products not journalism. And it doesn't matter if someone was around in the 60's and 70's (I was BTW, 1st car was a '66 leMans). The conclusion perhaps to draw from your point actually reinforces why a trade rag comparo isn't useful to readers/buyers: All three cars are actually quite good. None are a train wreck. There is no "best", only the "best for you".
FACTOID FROM THE C&D COMPARO: While the cars braking was tested and the X3 tested the worst of the 3 cars, the tallying done to declare the "winner" did not take braking measurement into consideration. It only took the subjective "Braking Feel" which the rated the X3 superior in over the Q5 and Evoque 9 vs 7 and 7 respectively.
Free market competition makes for improved products not journalism. And it doesn't matter if someone was around in the 60's and 70's (I was BTW, 1st car was a '66 leMans). The conclusion perhaps to draw from your point actually reinforces why a trade rag comparo isn't useful to readers/buyers: All three cars are actually quite good. None are a train wreck. There is no "best", only the "best for you".
It's interesting to note that the recent Consumer Reports review of the Q5, X3, RDX, XTS came to a similar conclusion as C&D. A trend? Who knows, just an observation. As mentioned, we bought the Q5 anyway.
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Depends on what you are looking for. For one I am a car and driver reader for 30+ years. It is a shell of its former glory especially the writing. But not just the writing the style and the type of articles are just not there. The design has also lost its way countless times and is a mess. C and D was never good for photos but it is just plain sad now. I read road and track the other day and found much more interest. That is crazy that r and t would be more enjoyable and enthusiast than c and d.
That being said, having driven the x3 and owned bmws it is a good driving car that is fun to drive. But as is usual, c and d overlooks the fact that the quality of the x3 unless fully fully fully loaded is an abomination next to the quality of the q5. The bmw is so cheap. And it has very poor road prescence unless again, fully specd and even then barely. The q5 on the other hand is a class act that feels and looks expensive. It holds its own with cars twice the price. Drive quality is excellent in the same class easily as the x3. When taken on the whole the audi is the killer in this category and is the number 1 car period. The land rover style is amazing though. Too bad it is only skin deep. Otherwise looks and feels like it is made by Mazda aside from design and seats.
That being said, having driven the x3 and owned bmws it is a good driving car that is fun to drive. But as is usual, c and d overlooks the fact that the quality of the x3 unless fully fully fully loaded is an abomination next to the quality of the q5. The bmw is so cheap. And it has very poor road prescence unless again, fully specd and even then barely. The q5 on the other hand is a class act that feels and looks expensive. It holds its own with cars twice the price. Drive quality is excellent in the same class easily as the x3. When taken on the whole the audi is the killer in this category and is the number 1 car period. The land rover style is amazing though. Too bad it is only skin deep. Otherwise looks and feels like it is made by Mazda aside from design and seats.
These writers that love BMW-s ignore the cheap interiors, learned what they know about cars at Malibu Grand Prix and are fully biased. The Q matched the BMW in the slalom yet felt like a dinner roll? How does that make sense? What else do you need to know to put he article on your ignore list? The look is approaching tired? Look at the cosmetic changes, if any, on the others. They're SUV's not purses. I can almost guarantee the writer has a full collection of purses.
This is a biased writer with an absence of credibility. As for the magazine's credibility, consider the completely different article tones separated by a year. There's a reason these things are selling, it's because people do their own test drives and comparisons and are intelligent enough to recognize and ignore fools penning for a washed up rag. I'll take their objective testing info but good or bad ignore their useless subjective impressions every single time.
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http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...rucks/Audi_Q5/
Is it a coincidence the Q5 is #1?
my CA$0.02
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Regardless, pretty much everyone's biased one way or another, and the best we can do is try and understand the preferences of a reviewer and use those to calibrate how we read the review. There's valid information there, but you just have to try and strip away the reviewer's bias and overlay your own to figure out where it might align with your preferences.