Oil & service intervals - VW 502 00/VW 504 00
12-07-2018, 10:11 AM
#11
AudiWorld Super User
Castrol Edge 5w40 for my 2 liters, local Audi dealer recommends changing it every 7500km. Transmission fluid (DL 501 7 speed Stronic) schedule is every 65K km. And yes, motor mounts will fail sooner than other brands, mine had both changed at 85K km, they said the new revision for this part should last way more.
Reading the below oilspecification.org it says that 50400 is better for engines > 180bhp.
Ours is 211bhp and with the chip it goes to 265bhp (yours with APR 270bhp). Sounds like an RS4
. (note if you ever use 50400 only use 5W30 as per Audi/VW specs).VW 502.00Oil for gasoline engines.
Successor of VW 501.01 and VW 500.00 specification. Recommended for those which are subject to arduous conditions. It must not be used for any engines with variable service intervals or any which are referred to under other specifications.
VW 503.00Long-life gasoline engine oil for VW cars with WIV (system for longer service intervals). Also meets ACEA A1, SAE 0W-30 or 5W-30 specification.
VW 503.01This specification is specifically for Audi RS4, Audi TT, S3 and Audi A8 6.0 V12 models with outputs of more than 180bhp, running with variable service intervals (30,000km or 2 years). Now superceeded by the VW 504.00 specification.
VW 504.00The VW 504 00 specification superceedes the VW 503 00 and VW 503.01 specifications. VW 504 00 oils are suitable for engines meeting the demands of Euro IV emissions standards.
Still I service my Q5 at 7500km fixed interval (with new oil filter each time) which is far less than the 15,000km (30,000/2) recommended interval of 50400 spec (summer harsh conditions).
Last edited by apoelistas; 12-07-2018 at 11:16 AM.
12-07-2018, 11:05 AM
#12
AudiWorld Super User
Not really label confusion. Just as uberwgn pointed out... "Castrol's marketing nonsense". Sure you can find a VW502 spec labeled oil but why do they have 5 different varieties and the one they use at the dealer is NOT the one sold in retail stores?
Also I learned long ago "meets or exceeds" does not necessarily mean the same as "VW502 certified". Does that make any difference?...probably not...it's just licensing. Will it cause any problems in the short run?...most likely not. But there are too many other quality alternatives to be bothered.
Also I learned long ago "meets or exceeds" does not necessarily mean the same as "VW502 certified". Does that make any difference?...probably not...it's just licensing. Will it cause any problems in the short run?...most likely not. But there are too many other quality alternatives to be bothered.
12-07-2018, 12:03 PM
#13
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12-07-2018, 01:21 PM
#14
AudiWorld Super User
"I don't know why you are all confused by the Castrol labeling."
Personally, I'm confused by their "liquid titanium" verbage. If there's liquid titanium in that bottle, then they've gotten the bottle up to about 3300 degrees Celsius. Ain't never going to be liquid titanium on this planet in any car engine that I'd want to get near. So, it sounds like the Castrol labeling is trying to prey on the rubes. Or is there another way to read "liquid titanium" as having any valid meaning?
Personally, I'm confused by their "liquid titanium" verbage. If there's liquid titanium in that bottle, then they've gotten the bottle up to about 3300 degrees Celsius. Ain't never going to be liquid titanium on this planet in any car engine that I'd want to get near. So, it sounds like the Castrol labeling is trying to prey on the rubes. Or is there another way to read "liquid titanium" as having any valid meaning?
12-07-2018, 02:36 PM
#15
AudiWorld Super User
Here is a good summary of the VW spec'd oils.
https://www.oilspecifications.org/ar..._explained.php
Bottom line is you want the best (504), just buy Mobile 1 ESP 5W-30.
https://www.oilspecifications.org/ar..._explained.php
Bottom line is you want the best (504), just buy Mobile 1 ESP 5W-30.
12-07-2018, 06:36 PM
#16
AudiWorld Super User
Here is a good summary of the VW spec'd oils.
https://www.oilspecifications.org/ar..._explained.php
Bottom line is you want the best (504), just buy Mobile 1 ESP 5W-30.
https://www.oilspecifications.org/ar..._explained.php
Bottom line is you want the best (504), just buy Mobile 1 ESP 5W-30.
I was also interested in it having owned a W12 A8, where 503 was Euro spec'ed oil for the motor years ago, and 503 was superseded by 504. Having tracked 503, Mobil 1 0W40 used to be labeled as 503 compliant. But it disappeared from the bottles about when 503 spec disappeared. The was also a prior version of Castrol in 0W30 that was labeled "European Formula" that also claimed 503 compliance. One of the trivia items that has me often return to the Mobil 1 0W40.
12-07-2018, 06:45 PM
#17
AudiWorld Super User
Trouble with this is if you dig deep into Bob is the Oil Guy forum posts, 504 spec is not a good choice unless you know your locale has only ultra low sulphur gas. That is true in Europe where ESP oils are now common place, but may not be in the USA. It is a better choice with the right fuel. The two apparently don't get along well, and in that case the conclusion is 502 is instead the better choice. Among the reasons Audi has apparently been slow to go to the 504 spec in the USA, though the owner's manuals were changed several years ago to also include it. Having looked into it for a couple of hours on the web a year or two ago, my conclusion was CA (where I live) had gotten to the ultra low sulphur formulation. Other states were due to by the beginning of last year IIRC, but there had been various postponements of the deadline and it was hard to find accurate information. Having found the CA answer to my satisfaction, I concluded 504 would work for me.
I was also interested in it having owned a W12 A8, where 503 was Euro spec'ed oil for the motor years ago, and 503 was superseded by 504. Having tracked 503, Mobil 1 0W40 used to be labeled as 503 compliant. But it disappeared from the bottles about when 503 spec disappeared. The was also a prior version of Castrol in 0W30 that was labeled "European Formula" that also claimed 503 compliance. One of the trivia items that has me often return to the Mobil 1 0W40.
I was also interested in it having owned a W12 A8, where 503 was Euro spec'ed oil for the motor years ago, and 503 was superseded by 504. Having tracked 503, Mobil 1 0W40 used to be labeled as 503 compliant. But it disappeared from the bottles about when 503 spec disappeared. The was also a prior version of Castrol in 0W30 that was labeled "European Formula" that also claimed 503 compliance. One of the trivia items that has me often return to the Mobil 1 0W40.
I'm going to use my Castrol 5W-40, Mobil, Pennzoil, etc and not really worry if my engine will last or not, 14K miles in 5.5 years!
Do you realize how many owners go to quick lube places with German cars, get non Eurospec oil, and have the engine last a very long time.
12-08-2018, 08:37 AM
#18
AudiWorld Super User
Here is a good summary of the VW spec'd oils.
https://www.oilspecifications.org/ar..._explained.php
Bottom line is you want the best (504), just buy Mobile 1 ESP 5W-30.
https://www.oilspecifications.org/ar..._explained.php
Bottom line is you want the best (504), just buy Mobile 1 ESP 5W-30.
12-08-2018, 01:28 PM
#20
Same here for s-tronic and oil change intervals (but I use 5W30 50400). Do you use 50200 or 50400 spec for engine fluid???
Reading the below oilspecification.org it says that 50400 is better for engines > 180bhp.
Ours is 211bhp and with the chip it goes to 265bhp (yours with APR 270bhp). Sounds like an RS4. (note if you ever use 50400 only use 5W30 as per Audi/VW specs).
VW 502.00Oil for gasoline engines.
Successor of VW 501.01 and VW 500.00 specification. Recommended for those which are subject to arduous conditions. It must not be used for any engines with variable service intervals or any which are referred to under other specifications.
VW 503.00Long-life gasoline engine oil for VW cars with WIV (system for longer service intervals). Also meets ACEA A1, SAE 0W-30 or 5W-30 specification.
VW 503.01This specification is specifically for Audi RS4, Audi TT, S3 and Audi A8 6.0 V12 models with outputs of more than 180bhp, running with variable service intervals (30,000km or 2 years). Now superceeded by the VW 504.00 specification.
VW 504.00The VW 504 00 specification superceedes the VW 503 00 and VW 503.01 specifications. VW 504 00 oils are suitable for engines meeting the demands of Euro IV emissions standards.
Still I service my Q5 at 7500km fixed interval (with new oil filter each time) which is far less than the 15,000km (30,000/2) recommended interval of 50400 spec (summer harsh conditions).
Reading the below oilspecification.org it says that 50400 is better for engines > 180bhp.
Ours is 211bhp and with the chip it goes to 265bhp (yours with APR 270bhp). Sounds like an RS4
. (note if you ever use 50400 only use 5W30 as per Audi/VW specs).VW 502.00Oil for gasoline engines.
Successor of VW 501.01 and VW 500.00 specification. Recommended for those which are subject to arduous conditions. It must not be used for any engines with variable service intervals or any which are referred to under other specifications.
VW 503.00Long-life gasoline engine oil for VW cars with WIV (system for longer service intervals). Also meets ACEA A1, SAE 0W-30 or 5W-30 specification.
VW 503.01This specification is specifically for Audi RS4, Audi TT, S3 and Audi A8 6.0 V12 models with outputs of more than 180bhp, running with variable service intervals (30,000km or 2 years). Now superceeded by the VW 504.00 specification.
VW 504.00The VW 504 00 specification superceedes the VW 503 00 and VW 503.01 specifications. VW 504 00 oils are suitable for engines meeting the demands of Euro IV emissions standards.
Still I service my Q5 at 7500km fixed interval (with new oil filter each time) which is far less than the 15,000km (30,000/2) recommended interval of 50400 spec (summer harsh conditions).