Mitch105

I have never meant to come off heated just a discussion... and with all do respect some what you say is incorrect.

Without rehashing a repeat I'll just stick to a few main point and we can agree to disagree I guess...

The engine is identical with different power rating. The older 2.0 belt driven you are talking about was dropped mid 08. And yes it is transverse mount in Tig.

The current Passat is based on the Golf platform too. The pre 2006 Passats were based on the older A4.

kleinbus

Let me see...

I owned one of the very first Tiguan 4motion when it was released in States.

Year later I traded it in to Q5, again one of the very first available.

Last time I checked, Tiguan is HALDEX while Q5 is mechanical Torsen.

Different chassis and different drivetrain.

CrustyNoodle

Golf R released in 2010 uses the EA113 (belt driven cam) so this engine is still very much in production and in current VAG offerings.

Both Tig and Q5 use the EA888 then eh - I could be convinced... But the Audi has variable valve lift.


My bad -I stand corrected!

Mitch105

Yes it does. I think since it is Audi, they had to modify and change the power ratings for marketing purposes as well as offer the highest tech available. Also the VW is cheaper too so probably a cost thing involved.

I do notice that my A4 Avant, despite being heavier than my Tiguan, has noticeably stronger midrange performance. Both cars move very well, as this is an exceptional powerplant but that torque increase is nice.

MainlandMig

im liking this discussion because im learning alot from it. I do not think anyone should be mad at another. everyone is making points i agree with. to me this dialog is great if we dont get into splitting hairs or get defensive

if i can add my 2 cents

to some a car is a car ... a red wine is a red wine... they r not into more subtle things ..

to me

Audi is a not fancied up VW
Lexus is not a fancied up Toyota
Acura is not a fancied up Honda

"The Whole Is Greater Than the Sum of Its Parts"

would i spend my hard earned $ on a Tiquan YES every time i drove it i loved it would i spend up for a Q5 .. maybe

yes all manufactures have a parts bin to pull from and it is wise for them utilize it in this fashion. that said... maybe w some models the manufacturer could have done a better job to differentiate .. as in many things it depends on the execution of the whole manufacturing procedures

now some generalized statements

all manufacturers know that the game is a long one

audi seems out to dethrone the benz brand or maybe at least in the minds of people and it be on a nice roll *styling growth/acceptance of quattro etc
i think it could have done a better job minimizing its under-steer issue/perception over the years

bmw prob being a smaller co. feeling the pinch most w audi success.. u aren't crazy to criticize the Bangle design .. u have to feel sorry for the owner w 1st gen iDrive trying to put 5 series into valet mode... BMW should have handled their flagship 7 series a bit better.
its performance biased side gets challenged more and more when awd is chosen over rear wheel drive .. and bmw could have done better at accepting awd and introducing x-drive earlier

maybe this rwd awd fight will be over in the future when cars ride on magnet tracks

maybe world economics will hit the german marques harder then the rest and the world ends up buying more Tatas and Hyundais

maybe it matters who accepts/executes fuel cell energy or another new energy source first

for now its not perfect but i love my a6 quattro 4.2

CrustyNoodle

Nicely said but in Australia, we do not have the Acura brand so the NA Acura models are sold here as Honda's....

So what does that make Acura?

the-oneil

Same here in England, the Honda Accord here is sold as Acura in North America (The exact same car) lol

MainlandMig

... maybe a brand not yet introduce to the world market.

One car does not make the whole co/brand.

I still stand by what i said.. i did say "maybe w some models the manufacturer could have done a better job to differentiate .. as in many things it depends on the execution of the whole manufacturing procedures" and i could have added that some cos. could do better to differentiate the premium brand... in the case u highlighted maybe Honda undercut Acura US long term interests with that move... we can pick out Acura even more though... here in the US when Acura wanted to break into the SUV market but do it quickly...it struck into agreement to re-badge Isuzu Troopers as the SLX while it worked on their MDX..