TimU

Has anyone done this mod? There's a lot of information in various forums, but nothing that seems to consolidate the info.

Please excuse the formatting of this post, it's somewhat of a brain dump so I can find the information later, as well as hopefully help out other members looking for the same info.

There's obviously some missing info. If anyone knows the details I've marked in red, please let me know.
I'll try and clarify anything else that doesn't make sense.


Cayenne TT Rear Sway Bar Upgrades
VWVortex.com - Porsche Cayenne Rear Sway Bar / Stabilizer Bar Part #http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f64/sway-bar-42428.html



Front Bars Options:
??????????? / ??????????????? = 34.6mm x ??.?mm (white) - Stock V10 Touareg Air Suspension

??????????? / ??????????????? = 35.6mm x ??.?mm (colour?) - Stock V10 Touareg Steel Suspension?
7L0411025E / 955-343-701-50 = 37.0mm x 5.2mm (yellow) - W12 Sport Touareg, Cayenne TT

------------- / 955-343-701-60 = 38.0mm x ??mm (orange) - V6 Cayenne, No equiv Touareg.

??????????? / 955-343-701-70 = 38.0mm x ??mm (green) - Cayenne S w/ Steel Suspension

??????????? / 955-343-701-80 = 38.0mm x ??mm (brown) - Cayenne GTS w/ steel suspension



Rear Bar Options:
7L0511025B / 955 333 701 20 = 24.6mm x 3.6mm (lilac) - Stock Q7 Air Ride, V10 Touareg
7L0511025C / 955 333 701 30 = 25.6mm x 4.4mm (yellow) - Cayenne TT
7L0511025 / 955 333 701 00(?) = 25.0mm x 4.?mm (green) - W12 Sport Touareg, Q7 V12 TDI, Cayenne S w/ Steel Suspension


STOCK Q7 FRONT SWAYBAR SETUP INFO:
With air suspension; ??.?mm, colour, pn: ???
With steel suspension; ??.?mm, colour, pn ??

STOCK Q7 REAR SWAYBAR SETUP INFO:
With air suspension: 7L0511025B / 955 333 701 20 = 24.6mm x 3.6mm (lilac)
With steel suspension: 7L0511025 / 955 333 701 00(?) = 25.0mm x 4.?mm (green)
2010+ S-Line w/ Adaptive Suspension: 7P0511025G


UPGRADES:
Yellow Cayenne TT bars are a good bet for those that want off road and on road combination performance. These bars may be way too thick to allow articulation for any serious off-roading.

FOR NON-AIR-RIDE Q7/TOUAREG:
Front Sway Bar - Cayenne S - Part # 955 343 701 70 <-- 38.0mm sway bar (green)
Front Bushings - Cayenne S - Part # 955 343 792 61 (4 needed)
Rear Sway Bar - Cayenne S - Part # 955 333 701 00
Rear Bushings - Cayenne S - Part # 955 333 792 40 (4 needed)


FOR AIR-RIDE Q7/TOUAREG:
Front Sway Bar, Cayenne TT: Part # 955-343-701-50 <-- 37.0mm diameter (yellow)
Front Bushings: 955-343-792-50 (4 needed)
Rear Sway Bar, Cayenne TT: 955-333-701-30 <-- 25.6mm diameter (yellow)
Rear Bushings: 955-333-792-30 (4 needed)


The nuts on the ends of the stabilizer bars (4 total) are one time use nuts. They deform under torque and new nuts must be used when installing the new stabilizer bars.VW Part# is N10402902 - you will need 4 of them.

Proper tightening torque is 100NM and it is very important to get these nuts tight.

Torque specs on the front sway bar brackets 60NM



Prices
From vwvortex thread:
The total cost from a US supplier (Sunset Imports) was US$274.75 for front and rear sway bars and bushings, including shipping.


From ebay, seller deutschepartsusa:
PORSCHE CAYENNE Sway Stabilizer Bar Link Links (both Front & Rear) $110.00/set of 4
Front Sway Bar, Cayenne TT: Part # 955-343-701-50 <-- 37mm diameter (yellow) - $300.00
Front Bushings, Cayenne TT: Part # 955-343-792-50 (4 needed) - $15.00 each x 4 = $60.00
Rear Sway Bar, Cayenne TT: Part # 955-333-701-30 <-- 25mm diameter (yellow) - $230.00
Rear Bushings, Cayenne TT: Part # 955-333-792-30 (4 needed) - $15.00 x 4 = $60.00
Shipping to Australia $250.00

Total US$1035.00 (seems REALLY over-priced compared the the clubtouareg.com threads).

AUJ

Have a 955S and a Q7 Non-air. The difference in ride characteristics are night and day. Both packages are tuned differently and balanced accordingly; Q& for lux; 955 for Sport. The Q7 will need much more than anti-swaybars to step away from lux into Sport. Recommend KWV3 coilovers with those sways if you want to transform the Q properly.

TimU

Thanks for the comment AUJ
Just to clarify, your Cayenne 955S is also steel suspension?

And just to complete the info, would you mind confirming the coloured dot (even better, part numbers?) on front/rear sway bars of both your cars please?
I need to do the same for my Q7 Air.

I'm just not sure if you can see the dots on an installed bar or not...

scotskier

so given that the cayenne turbo also has the air suspension does it use different ratings on the suspension units or is it a different control unit?

TimU

Yes, Cayenne Turbo and Turbo S apparently had Air suspension as a standard option. Unknown if it's a different control unit, but so what?
The main point is that the physical sway bars are a universal part.

scotskier

[QUOTE=AUJ Have a 955S and a Q7 Non-air. The difference in ride characteristics are night and day. Both packages are tuned differently and balanced accordingly; Q& for lux; 955 for Sport. The Q7 will need much more than anti-swaybars to step away from lux into Sport. Recommend KWV3 coilovers with those sways if you want to transform the Q properly. [/QUOTE]

yeah the sway bars are a starting point but I was wondering if there was some way of reprogramming/switching out the control unit to give more like Cayenne handling. I suspect the strut units are the same, the bump/rebound settings will be varied by the controller

AUJ

Sorry, been busy traveling. Just put Eibachs on the Cayenne S (steel spring) and the stock springs look real similar to the Q7. Touareg guys are putting Cayenne S springs on their 4.2's with over an inch drop over stock. I may put the Cayenne S springs on my Q7 because it is a little to plush for my tastes and am hoping for a drop like on the Touareg. I will climb under and get the dot colors off my anti-sway bars; but if yo want the color dots off the Cayenne S stock springs (which are made by Eibach); they are double white dots in the rears, and the fronts are double yellow plus a single blue.

MadeInAudi

So the cayenne S spring fit directly onto the Q7? I had a set sitting in my storage from when I lowered my cayenne with h&r's, now I have a Q7.

Will installing these give me a nice drop? Also what about the stiffness? Wouldn't it be soft?

iconoclast

you will find some info i posted here. i did this mod and the honest truth is it is best to save your money...

if you have adaptive suspension you hardly notice the improvement.

http://forums.quattroworld.com/q7/msgs/3219.phtml

scotskier

iconoclast, what bars did you fit in the end?. You reckon it makes no real difference with teh air?, Better just dropping it a bit?