Opinions on shortening the UrQ
07-30-2003, 02:42 PM
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Opinions on shortening the UrQ
Just thought I'd throw this out there. I've got my 81 WR project out here in CA, I have a great relationship with a large limo builder outfit out here. I've kicked around the idea with them of having 14 inches removed to create something similiar to a sport Q. What are the big advantages in handling by doing this?
Mike Bond
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07-30-2003, 03:15 PM
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rotates around the nose like a sopwith camel. less weight
Alot of people in the know, actually preferred the handling of the LWB quattro over the shorty.
But in the end, if one is able to keep the car on the road its faster than its LWB counterparts.
I thought the distance was 11 inches.
It'd be cool as anything though.
But in the end, if one is able to keep the car on the road its faster than its LWB counterparts.
I thought the distance was 11 inches.
It'd be cool as anything though.
07-30-2003, 07:18 PM
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If you're gonna have that done, send it to somebody that has actually done the conversion...
Talk to the guys at Dialynx, in the UK. They do that same conversion. It's a bit tricky, and requires a little more than just cutting out some material, and then welding it all back together. Ugly things can happen if it's done incorrectly.<ul><li><a href="http://www.dialynx.co.uk">The conversion people...</a></li></ul>
08-01-2003, 01:11 AM
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I don't know jagerbond, cutting up that Euro would be a sad day,...
...Dynalynx (UK) does the conversion but the Sport-Q came with the 4000 windsheild and pillars. The car they have converted looks kinda ricey. I would keep it some what stock and go nuts under the hood and suspension. Maybe find an A2 kit for it and paint it up like Fusilier's. Just an opinion
08-01-2003, 05:40 AM
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A little bit on conversions, reproductions and their value.
If its done right, it would actually increase the value of the car. For the most part, mods aren't good ways to invest money in a car. One could get just as much for a modded UrQ as a stock one. Same thing holds true for A4, etc.
But if the mods ultimately make the car something else that mimics something historically valuable, then it has some new value. For instance, say someone takes an A4 and does a complete rework (100%) on it so its identical in every respect to a late 90s european touring car A4. Those mods as a whole will make the car worth more than before.
I don't think the return is the same for just applying an A2 body kit and a paint job to a street urQ. Not the same.. But.. IMO, a well done 20V conversion with the accompanying sport quattro body shell and panels would be a big step towards making a reproduction SportQ. Honestly I don't know if such a conversion is possible without actually having a sportQ to use as a benchmark. When Bruno built my car he was able to replicate each piece and construction detail on his A2 car and just replicate that onto the reproduction. All the changes I've made to the car since I bought it have been attempts to move it closer to authentic using the best parts available to me. It'll never be a real deal A2, but the closer it gets to a faithful copy the more the value keeps going up. SportQs go for 75,000 dollars so there might be someone out there who is willing to pay some big bucks if the reproduction is good enough to pass close scrutinization. If it looks like a sportQ and drives like one, people will pay money for it. That is worthwhile motivation as far as I'm concerned.
If such a conversion was done with a 3b motor, etc. it would be worth something and probably put the car up in the 20K range maybe more.
I think the fact that most works rally cars go for 100,000 dollars and thats in pretty so-so condition says alot about the "Street value" of a good reproduction. The sum of the parts in my car might fetch 50K on the open market if I took the machine apart so its still fascinating to think that the parts are worth more than the whole put together.
My only hesitation is the fact that its an early 81. So it might have some intrinsic value in that respect that is worth saving. perhaps a rusted out 83 would be the more appropriate donor vehicle for such a project. Here's the caveat on that. COnversions have be extremely hard to finish and take a serious investment of money. So, its really risky to take apart a prefectly good urQ cause initially its a big destruction of worth. Takes alot of time and energy to slowly build it back together. The risk is obviously less if someone were to start with a rusted shell. There are some of those lying around in parts yards. Parts are gone, but the shell remains. Perfect donor frames for such a project.
But if the mods ultimately make the car something else that mimics something historically valuable, then it has some new value. For instance, say someone takes an A4 and does a complete rework (100%) on it so its identical in every respect to a late 90s european touring car A4. Those mods as a whole will make the car worth more than before.
I don't think the return is the same for just applying an A2 body kit and a paint job to a street urQ. Not the same.. But.. IMO, a well done 20V conversion with the accompanying sport quattro body shell and panels would be a big step towards making a reproduction SportQ. Honestly I don't know if such a conversion is possible without actually having a sportQ to use as a benchmark. When Bruno built my car he was able to replicate each piece and construction detail on his A2 car and just replicate that onto the reproduction. All the changes I've made to the car since I bought it have been attempts to move it closer to authentic using the best parts available to me. It'll never be a real deal A2, but the closer it gets to a faithful copy the more the value keeps going up. SportQs go for 75,000 dollars so there might be someone out there who is willing to pay some big bucks if the reproduction is good enough to pass close scrutinization. If it looks like a sportQ and drives like one, people will pay money for it. That is worthwhile motivation as far as I'm concerned.
If such a conversion was done with a 3b motor, etc. it would be worth something and probably put the car up in the 20K range maybe more.
I think the fact that most works rally cars go for 100,000 dollars and thats in pretty so-so condition says alot about the "Street value" of a good reproduction. The sum of the parts in my car might fetch 50K on the open market if I took the machine apart so its still fascinating to think that the parts are worth more than the whole put together.
My only hesitation is the fact that its an early 81. So it might have some intrinsic value in that respect that is worth saving. perhaps a rusted out 83 would be the more appropriate donor vehicle for such a project. Here's the caveat on that. COnversions have be extremely hard to finish and take a serious investment of money. So, its really risky to take apart a prefectly good urQ cause initially its a big destruction of worth. Takes alot of time and energy to slowly build it back together. The risk is obviously less if someone were to start with a rusted shell. There are some of those lying around in parts yards. Parts are gone, but the shell remains. Perfect donor frames for such a project.
08-01-2003, 09:04 AM
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Re: A little bit on conversions, reproductions and their value.
<center><img src="http://www.force5auto.com/pics/rebuilders/tqc1_tn.jpg"></center><p>Fusilier,
Thanks for your thought, as always they are highly regarded.
I think Force 5 has a UrQ shell, 83 actually, heck do I really need 3?
Mike Bond
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Thanks for your thought, as always they are highly regarded.
I think Force 5 has a UrQ shell, 83 actually, heck do I really need 3?
Mike Bond
81&83