Brake Conversion
03-20-2008, 06:34 PM
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Brake Conversion
<center><img src="http://oempl.us/images/large/R8_Ceramic_Brakes_LRG.jpg"></center><p>i know they say this set is for a rs4, and also for the r8, but anyone think of tryin to put it on their rs6?<ul><li><a href="http://oempl.us/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4 97">http://oempl.us/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=4 97</a</li></ul>
03-21-2008, 12:39 AM
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My brakes worked great at Daytona's 130-140 mph speeds for less than $3K
Brake ducts from a Phaeton may have helped most, since they turned high speed air into cooling for the brakes. But that's just a guess. Other mods were stainless steel brake lines, Pagid blue pads, and brake fluid with higher temperature tolerance. The total of $2721 also included a new set of stock front rotors, which were the priciest part at around $1700. Put another way, if I already had good front rotors, the total cost of my mods would have been little more than $1K.
All mods were done by Suncoast Motorsports in Sarasota just before Daytona, which involved nine sessions of 25 min each over three consecutive days. Have made no changes since then (early Dec) and rotors still look good.
At the link, scroll down to the two entries made on Dec 24 by JAXRS6 (that's me on the rs6.com forum).<ul><li><a href="http://rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13921&highlight=daytona+brake s">http://rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13921&highlight=daytona+brake s</a</li></ul>
All mods were done by Suncoast Motorsports in Sarasota just before Daytona, which involved nine sessions of 25 min each over three consecutive days. Have made no changes since then (early Dec) and rotors still look good.
At the link, scroll down to the two entries made on Dec 24 by JAXRS6 (that's me on the rs6.com forum).<ul><li><a href="http://rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13921&highlight=daytona+brake s">http://rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13921&highlight=daytona+brake s</a</li></ul>
03-21-2008, 03:55 AM
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What is it you are trying to accomplish with the ceramic set up? Some thoughts....
Is it strictly for looks/show? Then go for it if you like the look of the set up and want to dump $15K on it.
Do you track the car? It's a pointless set up then for the RS6. The RS6 has too many things working against it that this brake set up wouldn't help you with for that price.
1. The cc set up is obviously lighter than the current 8 piston Brembo set up and if weight is your only concern then you're barking up the wrong tree with weight savings on a two ton nose heavy pig of a track car.
2. If it's consistent fade free braking you are looking for, admittedly they are better at dissipating heat than the current set up primarily because of the rotor veining. Still, the design of the RS6 is more to the heart of the flaw with the overheating brakes than the current set up itself. No air movement whatsoever. You need to route air ducts to the rotors to keep them cooler. Problem is, there is waaaay too much plumbing to do this effectively. If you're serious about tracking then the Phaeton air duct mod some have done is useless for the intended purpose.
Again, if you're serious about tracking the car then do invest money and time into a good driving school that teaches you to be smooth on the track and less reliant on your brakes. (Audi <hint hint>
. Many on this board track their RS6 and have done so on the stock brake set up with just a few tweaks; high temp fluid, racing pads and possibly lighter wheels that offer better venting. The RS6 wheels, while pretty, don't help matters much. Kosei makes the K1-TS wheel that's a dual bolt pattern (5x100 and 5x112 for Audi and VW), weighs about 18 lbs. and clears all the big brake kits.
Still, if you want a better brake set up look seriously at the Alcon 6 piston BBK. It is superior in it's design and will cost you 1/4th the cc set up. It's the same kit I run on my wife's S4 and I can tell you I can (as can she) stand the car on it's nose with consistent fade free stops all weekend long. It's also the kit I run (in 4 piston version) on my R32 and they are the best, period.
Sorry for the pontification but I hope it helps. Show or go? The choice is yours.<ul><li><a href="http://www.stasisengineering.com/Category_Detail.aspx?id=8&VID=68&PID=30">A lcon Set up</a></li></ul>
Do you track the car? It's a pointless set up then for the RS6. The RS6 has too many things working against it that this brake set up wouldn't help you with for that price.
1. The cc set up is obviously lighter than the current 8 piston Brembo set up and if weight is your only concern then you're barking up the wrong tree with weight savings on a two ton nose heavy pig of a track car.
2. If it's consistent fade free braking you are looking for, admittedly they are better at dissipating heat than the current set up primarily because of the rotor veining. Still, the design of the RS6 is more to the heart of the flaw with the overheating brakes than the current set up itself. No air movement whatsoever. You need to route air ducts to the rotors to keep them cooler. Problem is, there is waaaay too much plumbing to do this effectively. If you're serious about tracking then the Phaeton air duct mod some have done is useless for the intended purpose.
Again, if you're serious about tracking the car then do invest money and time into a good driving school that teaches you to be smooth on the track and less reliant on your brakes. (Audi <hint hint>
. Many on this board track their RS6 and have done so on the stock brake set up with just a few tweaks; high temp fluid, racing pads and possibly lighter wheels that offer better venting. The RS6 wheels, while pretty, don't help matters much. Kosei makes the K1-TS wheel that's a dual bolt pattern (5x100 and 5x112 for Audi and VW), weighs about 18 lbs. and clears all the big brake kits.Still, if you want a better brake set up look seriously at the Alcon 6 piston BBK. It is superior in it's design and will cost you 1/4th the cc set up. It's the same kit I run on my wife's S4 and I can tell you I can (as can she) stand the car on it's nose with consistent fade free stops all weekend long. It's also the kit I run (in 4 piston version) on my R32 and they are the best, period.
Sorry for the pontification but I hope it helps. Show or go? The choice is yours.<ul><li><a href="http://www.stasisengineering.com/Category_Detail.aspx?id=8&VID=68&PID=30">A lcon Set up</a></li></ul>
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03-21-2008, 07:00 AM
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Re: What is it you are trying to accomplish with the ceramic set up? Some thoughts....
thanks a lot for that info. yea i was thinkin there had to be better and cheaper solutions than 15gs on brakes. i dont race, i just drive hard so looking for a good set up for that. the alcon 6 piston bbk is def something im going to keep at the top of my list.
03-21-2008, 07:04 AM
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Re: buy the RS4 and then the brakes. Its bad eneogh dumping 15k in brakes but atleast
from what i have seen though, even the 07 or 08 rs4s dont compare to the performance of the 03 rs6 and its about 20-30gs cheaper.