a little sliding in wet weather. tires or me?
02-08-2009, 07:06 PM
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a little sliding in wet weather. tires or me?
taking a couple on-ramps at speeds i did not consider ridiculous, i had the front end slide out once and the rear end a different time. my stock conti-3's still have good tread. thoughts and suggestions on better wet weather tires?
thanks.
thanks.
02-08-2009, 07:38 PM
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I had a nice 4 wheel drift Saturday morning in my Dunlop Wintersport M3s
getting onto a curved on-ramp going full throttle. It was wet and 35 degrees so it was expected. :-) The RS4 has enough power to break the tires loose in most wet conditions if you aren't careful.
I'd recommend the Goodyear Eagle GSD3s. I ran 2 sets on my B5 S4 and they were fantastic in wet or dry. When the Contis are gone, the GSD3s will go on.
I'd recommend the Goodyear Eagle GSD3s. I ran 2 sets on my B5 S4 and they were fantastic in wet or dry. When the Contis are gone, the GSD3s will go on.
02-08-2009, 09:59 PM
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Do you drive the car hard?
If so, relax, pull the undies out of your cheeks and go with it! I have a relatively less powered car than you and the sliding is predictable and fun.
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02-09-2009, 07:53 AM
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Blaming the tires?
The tires don't control the speed and/or angle of attack in your on ramp adventures.
When the tires let go it is either A) driving technique or B) driving technique.
Another words, you were going too fast for driving conditions given the setup of your car.
Now, with that said, what is the treadwear number of your tires?
Generally speaking, a tire with a treadwear of 160-220 will still be able to handle wet conditions, most of the time.
The lower the treadwear number, the crappier the wet road handling capability. The higher the treadwear number, the better the wet weather traction.
There are other factors, such as the silica content of the tread compound, actual tread pattern, width of the tire, etc.
Tire manufacturers use all these tricks to handle wet weather, but some do it better than others. Eagle F1 All Seasons are great in the wet, better than Mich Pilot Sport A/S (I've tested them back to back) but are nowhere near as good as Mich Pilot Sport 2's in the dry.
Tires are a compromise...you can't have BOTH top of the line, good-enough-for-a-racetrack tire in the dry AND a superior wet weather tire.
In wet weather, sand, gravel, grease and other road contaminants rise to the road surface and cold temperatures further conspire against a tire's effectiveness.
In short, my guess is that you're using a tire that simply isn't good in the wet and you were going too fast for conditions. Slow down.
When the tires let go it is either A) driving technique or B) driving technique.
Another words, you were going too fast for driving conditions given the setup of your car.
Now, with that said, what is the treadwear number of your tires?
Generally speaking, a tire with a treadwear of 160-220 will still be able to handle wet conditions, most of the time.
The lower the treadwear number, the crappier the wet road handling capability. The higher the treadwear number, the better the wet weather traction.
There are other factors, such as the silica content of the tread compound, actual tread pattern, width of the tire, etc.
Tire manufacturers use all these tricks to handle wet weather, but some do it better than others. Eagle F1 All Seasons are great in the wet, better than Mich Pilot Sport A/S (I've tested them back to back) but are nowhere near as good as Mich Pilot Sport 2's in the dry.
Tires are a compromise...you can't have BOTH top of the line, good-enough-for-a-racetrack tire in the dry AND a superior wet weather tire.
In wet weather, sand, gravel, grease and other road contaminants rise to the road surface and cold temperatures further conspire against a tire's effectiveness.
In short, my guess is that you're using a tire that simply isn't good in the wet and you were going too fast for conditions. Slow down.
02-09-2009, 01:50 PM
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GS-D3s are great in dry conditions, but absolute black magic in the wet.
Grip is scarily good. They'd be a flawless tire if you could get them with a stiffer sidewall. I thinkroad feel is a bit muted and responsiveness is a bit dull. But yeah, once I'm done with the Sport Maxx GTs, I think it'll be GS-D3s.
Incidentally, I lubs my Wintersport M3s as well. Compact snow and ice traction is outstanding.
Incidentally, I lubs my Wintersport M3s as well. Compact snow and ice traction is outstanding.
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