S4 (B8 Platform) Discussion Discussion forum for the B8 Audi S4 produced from 2009-2016

Another S4 review (TECH)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-13-2010, 05:52 PM
  #21  
AudiWorld Member
 
kwikwi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Canada, Quebec city
Posts: 123
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by NWS4Guy
It's not linear in the US either, but what he is saying is that in the US where 60-70 is the max legal speed, this is still obtained in the first ~30% of the speedo range. he is saying why have it go to 200 when even ungoverned it won't make it there, and even governed, it's 155, which is still just over 75% of the speedo being used.
Ok, I understand now, thanks.

But this is suppose to be a sport sedan that comes from the old continent where they have autoban plus some, as a hobby, may track this car. Even if the limiter is set to 155 mph it may be unlock and the max speed is around 268 kph /168 mph (saw this on you tube) - You would not want to lose your needle in the dash like old days chevy were the speed gauge was living in a rectangular form content ;-) - If you modify the car just by adding an APR chip, you might be able to get near 200 mph on a race track. I know that not many of us will ever go up there but it's the same thing for a motorcycle.

I remember that Dodge Neon has a speedometer that would go north of 240kph /150 mph right from the factory for the vanilla model.

Last edited by kwikwi; 04-13-2010 at 05:56 PM.
Old 04-13-2010, 06:19 PM
  #22  
AudiWorld Senior Member
 
redrocker55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: St Louis
Posts: 1,165
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by NWS4Guy
It's not linear in the US either, but what he is saying is that in the US where 60-70 is the max legal speed, this is still obtained in the first ~30% of the speedo range. he is saying why have it go to 200 when even ungoverned it won't make it there, and even governed, it's 155, which is still just over 75% of the speedo being used.
Chevrolet found a smart solution with their C5 Corvette.

Still has a really high speedo number 200 mph...but after the dial gets beyond 120 mph (going by memory here) the increments of the speed become closer together. So when you are going 70 mph the needle has moved way more than 30% of the way around the dial.

ie...0-50 mph there is more movement in the needle vs 150-200 mph. The difference is about double the movement.
Old 04-13-2010, 07:12 PM
  #23  
AudiWorld Super User
 
NWS4Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 4,361
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

What you are saying is what we have now, just ours is not as exaggerated.
Old 04-13-2010, 07:18 PM
  #24  
AudiWorld Senior Member
 
IAS5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,616
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by kwikwi
- If you modify the car just by adding an APR chip, you might be able to get near 200 mph on a race track.
Sorry- you might get 175, 180 tops, if you chip it.

Pure mathematics and physics show that you need approximately 30% more hp for each 10 mph increase in top speed, cumulatively.
Old 04-13-2010, 07:21 PM
  #25  
AudiWorld Super User
 
NWS4Guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 4,361
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by IAS5
Sorry- you might get 175, 180 tops, if you chip it.

Pure mathematics and physics show that you need approximately 30% more hp for each 10 mph increase in top speed, cumulatively.
Agreed, you cannot defy physics, and as speed increases the drag of the air against and around the car really take a toll.
Old 04-14-2010, 03:27 AM
  #26  
AudiWorld Member
 
kwikwi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Canada, Quebec city
Posts: 123
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by IAS5
Sorry- you might get 175, 180 tops, if you chip it.

Pure mathematics and physics show that you need approximately 30% more hp for each 10 mph increase in top speed, cumulatively.
That's true but that's a lot of HP needed to go further. From 170 to 200 mph that would be approximately - engine HP as rated by Audi - (333x1,33*1,33*1,33) ~ 780 HP.
Old 04-14-2010, 03:27 AM
  #27  
AudiWorld Member
 
kwikwi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Canada, Quebec city
Posts: 123
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by folgen nie
to see what I must have missed.

KWIKWI I notice that I took delivery the same day you did
Did you have any issue with your car yet ? You don't seem to have the sport diff ?
Old 04-14-2010, 04:12 AM
  #28  
AudiWorld Member
 
folgen nie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 310
Likes: 0
Received 63 Likes on 28 Posts
Default No issues

And you are correct, no sport diff. I stated on a different thread that this car is not biased toward understeer anywhere near that of my previous two S4's even without it. I am completely satisfied with the way I configured the car.

I actually autocrossed my B6 once, and came away with the opinion that the size of the car did not lend itself to the tight, low speed courses that the SCCA lays out. Now, the 914 that I used back in the day, that was an autocross car.
Old 04-14-2010, 05:37 AM
  #29  
AudiWorld Member
 
big windy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 191
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

The other issue is that they only use 3/4 of the circle in the speedometer display. My M3 was setup very similar with a graduated speedometer, but the the full circle was used...this meant that 80 mph was at 12 o'clock, and the lower speeds were much easier to read.
Old 04-14-2010, 05:59 AM
  #30  
AudiWorld Senior Member
 
IAS5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,616
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

781, with a drivetrain loss at a conservative 20%, equals 626 rwhp (6.54 lbs/hp)

For a 4100 hp car, that sounds about correct to hit 200.

a ZR1, a 3250lb car with about 550rwhp tops out at 205. It has a wgt/hp ratio of 5.87. MUCH more aerodynamic also

Again, it is a general rule of thumb, but physics is physics....

Last edited by IAS5; 04-14-2010 at 02:56 PM.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
carstocks
S4 (B8 Platform) Discussion
10
02-10-2013 05:03 PM
GoCougarsWSU
Pacific Northwest Discussion
8
03-19-2008 12:21 PM
RickS
S4 (B6 & B7 Platforms) Discussion
10
06-15-2006 10:51 PM
Innovator
S4 / RS4 (B5 Platform) Discussion
17
08-06-2001 10:47 PM
the wik
S4 / RS4 (B5 Platform) Discussion
7
04-16-2000 03:20 AM



Quick Reply: Another S4 review (TECH)



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:45 PM.