Un1k

I wish our b8 members and sak can promise each other that after a 1/4mile run, they would not talk about this anymore.

no rubbing it in the face, taunting.. no nothing. just 1/4mile or a race (i donno what sak wants) but after that we just say bye to each other

it would be grt if we didn't argue with sak until that day comes.. b/c let's face it, we're not gonna give up and he is not gonna give up

and i'm sure it's annoying some of the b8 members cuz it annoys the hell out of me

I know this won't really mean much coming from me (esp.sak) cuz honestly most of what i know about cars is what i read on this forum for the past 5 months

but really... I want a b8 owner's opinion about the tune/mod results (no I don't mean I want everything sugar-coated..) b/c nothing that comes out of other forum members will mean nothing to me cuz they r not in the same shoes that we are.

shoot... I tried to sound like I'm sick of both b7 and b8 members (till now) but no.. WHY THE FU#K are you being a hater sak?

who CARES what you think or what we think of our cars?

why the hell do you come on our forums and put up some comments that just makes you look sad? why do you hate on another audi? don't say u 'defend' on b8s cuz that just makes you look like you love to disagree (defending there and disagreeing here)

**** i realize i'm just typing a bunch of words here since i'm lacking sleep right now, but just give it a rest. this is bad for both of us, we are wasting each other's time!

I never talk in this manner to other members cuz I believe in respect (I KNOW, CRAZY RIGHT? WHY RESPECT SOMEONE YOU WILL NEVER MEET? WHY NOT JUST TALK LIKE A DOUCHE?). Also b/c as I stated b4, I do not have much knowledge when it comes to cars

but I feel that it's needed that you know what you are doing. I don't even laugh or find this entertaining (ok.. i'll enjoy it a little when we proove our cars are better than ur silver thing).


again... I'm not very constructive right now, but I hope you realize that if we're not able to convince you of which car is faster (I can easily see you not backing down and BSing even after the facts arrive), then you are not going to be able to convince us neither.

so just be gone and enjoy UR car

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm not just coming out to say 'we are right, you are wrong' cuz frankly i donno much about 1/4 mile and all that ****, just saying that you should get the FXUK out this forum

MadMadS4

yeah. actually after studying the charts (I've posted a lot on the AZ thread)... I'll have to retract my statement here. I no longer think you'll get into the 11s.. your car is a pig. ;-)

Proogz

That is more like if you are consistently running on a 93 octane map for daily driving, than yes. You will be putting a huge stress on the DSG and even on the Engine. But the main question to ask is. Why would you even think about consistently doing that as a daily driving method?

Keep the car in either the 91 Map or keep it completely stock. Only time you are ever going to even need to switch into a map is if you are on the tracks.

A day at the track here and there will not be as bad for your car than running it on 93 everyday.

81bear

I would have to say that if I did chip my S4 I would want to run it with the 93 map most of the time as I only put 94 in the gas tank.

I think it would defeat the purpose in having a 93 map if you are only going to use it on the track, as most tracks have 100 octane available so why not run the 100 map if one is available?

Further, I was under the impression that before APR would release any chip tune they would, and to my knowledge, have done extensive testing to insure that the engine/transmission can handle the additional load?

Last point, it seems that most concerns relating to the graph, other then the 23% drivetrain loss, relates to the lack of increased low/mid range tq with this tune as most say they want the additional real world power which to me suggests that their intent is to run the 93 map most often as well.

I welcome additional thoughts?

primetime

Once I can get the 100 octane tune that is all I will be using.... That is all I run on the B5.... later Ron

sakimano

yeah, I personally don't care about the crank numbers. B8 S4 owners do, because that's basically a number you use at a cocktail party to describe your car. It won't win any races on a forum discussion though, so the WHP and WTQ numbers are what we'll keep our eyes on. APR cares because that number will sell kits. It's funny...they lambasted MTM for shoddy presentation of gains and CHP numbers, yet they're doing similar things here.
Keith, in our epic thread on the original APR dyno on AZ, admitted their dyno produces WHP numbers that are indicative of more like 16% loss...not 23, 25 or 28 as have been thrown about by B5/6/7 guys.

AS I said to this group on another forum 6 months ago, I reckon hardly any of you will even chip your cars. B8 S4 owners are predominantly people who don't want to see three years of warranty evaporate on a $50,000 car. You're also the first owners, so it won't likely be you guys who make your cars run the fastest...it will be the 2nd, 3rd and 4th owners.

Anyway, is anyone going to get the APR chip the day it's available, as so many of you said you would over the past 18 months? Will be interesting.

primetime

Yes... I will be running asap.... Now about that 12.7 1/4 mile time... No comment on that one?

sakimano

sorry what? You're measuring a VAGCOM guess of 300whp vs. APR's chipped dyno of 360whp in order to determine the chip delta? And you're forgetting there's an exhaust in there?

I'm afraid that's irrelevant here for measuring 'delta'. APR dyno'd 322 with stock tune + exhaust, and 360 with APR tune...same day etc. That's 38 whp (on THEIR dyno)...not 60. That's your delta.

traditional dynos (the ones done by Stratmosphere, Lou and I think NWS4guy in 09) showed 275-290whp...i.e. 285whp avg on traditional dynojet or mustang dynos. That vs. APR's stock baseline of 316 back then and today is around 90%. I just took 90% of APR's current WHP chipped 360 number to show 325 whp, if measured on a Mustang or dynojet. This is very logical, isn't it? I'm using that for perspective for guessing performance only. That's all any of us are really doing.

Let me put this another way:

the B8 weighs 4000lbs and dyno'd around 285whp and similar torque stock with an awesome a.u.t.c. It ran 13.0 quartermiles (12.9 - 13.4, but just say 13.0) at around 106-109mph. That's the exact same time/mph range a JHM chipped/headers/catback B6/7 S4 runs. Guess what the B6/7 dynos on a mustang? Around 290/280. So no shock there....performance from the B8 matches the normal dyno #s from the B6/7...and the superior curve/transmission of the supercharged car can overcome the 100lb weight difference pretty easily.

p.s. noticed you also thought their 23% numbers were odd over on QW...and you agree with my whole thesis about APR's dyno numbers being un-usable with respect to comparing to other dynos/devices.

sakimano

again..I said it will probably be a hair faster. Don't forget 12.6 @ 113mph is damn fast. We're talking about a chip here, right?
How about when it's actually faster? Sorry while fast in stock form, no B8 S4 is faster than any of the most modified B6/7 cars yet. That's no surprise...we have a big head start. Not sure what you want me to concede? "Super Modified"? The full bolt on B6/7 guys are E92 M3 fast...they walk the **** out of stock RS4s...they hang with APR/AWE stage III B5 S4s in highway pulls. Not sure why you think they're slow cars? As I said, you're clueless on B6/7 S4 performance, as are most of the guys on forums who don't own one. I know you owned one, but you had a ****ing GIAC chip and APR exhaust. Sorry dude...but that **** doesn't work on the B6/7.

You want the B8 to get some kind of trophy before winning a race, because you're a retard who doesn't understand the performance gains needed to move a car 1.0 seconds faster down a 1320 foot track than stock? (your 12.2 guess). I've got news for you...it's not 38whp on APR's dyno! Think more like 60-70 or even 100whp. when the B8 is making around 400whp, it'll hit your 12.2 number. Not before it.

why will I never own one? You owned a 4.2, now you own a 3.0T. what's the big deal here? Not sure why you're so hostile...I mean you're way too dumb to be this aggressive. Sharpen your pencil and engage me with some facts. Until then you're a big bluffer.
can't wait.

who said a B6/7 with a tune would hang with a B8? Nobody. I said full bolt ons and it's faster than the B8. Headers and exhaust and JHM tune, and it's dead equal. Go get me your fastest B8 quarter mile times and we'll compare them. The strip doesn't lie...and it's informed data. Unlike your guesses.

With this chip on a stock B8 S4, the car will be really fast. Admittedly. I think it will be faster than or at the very very least equal to the fastest full bolt on (ALL parts) B6/7 cars.

I've never disputed that. Read my first post in this thread...you're the one who is making **** up for some reason.

There's a supercharger from JHM that makes more whp than any K04 B5 S4 ever has. The B6/7 is certainly not 'toast'...it's just warming up. Trust me, it will be a long time before the B8 is faster than the B5/6/7. I won't say never, but it will be a damn long time. Just the same as B5 vs. B6/7.

sakimano

hey, congrats. That's a fast time. There's a guy with a B6 who ran 12.89 with just a tune piggies and catback. Some guys/cars are just plain fast.

So...you think you'll run 12.2 (you said that earlier) with a tune, catback and intake? Can't wait to see it. That's pretty ambitious though. It took 400whp to make a 3850lb B6 S4 run that fast. It trapped 117mph.

I think some of you are forgetting that the tune adds about 30-35whp...and it adds basically zero torque and zero hp before 5500rpm. So you'll have another 35whp or so to move the car in gears 2-4. You really think that's going to get you down the track 8 car lengths faster than a stock B8 S4? Because that's what's needed to shave 0.8 seconds. 8 car lengths.