m444

The DSG is an electronically controlled transmission that can automatically select the gears, therefore it is an automatic transmission. An automatic is not required to have a torque converter.

WatchNut

This "It's a manual...no, it's an automatic.....Manual!....AUTOMATIC....MANUAL!!!!!!" stuff is getting so very tiresome.

Just call it S-tronic or DSG or something, and leave it alone. Jeez.

/rant

zerinS4

Sometimes I just want to reach through the screen and choke some of you. Seriously, the automatic vs. manual discussion has been beaten to death. We all know what he's talking about. LEAVE IT ALONE.

m444

I only mentioned automatic (control) transmission, because, the DSG is electronically programmable through the ECU/TCU. The program can be tweaked just as any other ECU/TCU.

drrick89

LOL Agreed!!!

m444

Yes, we know the DSG is a different architecture, but it is still just an electronic controlled transmission.

By the way, a typical automatic transmission like the Ford AODE (hybrid electronic/hydraulic controller) can be made to shift very quickly limited only by the ECU, (an aftermarket external ECU can provide very rapid shifting). Typically the hydraulic accumulators for the clutches and bands are set to slowly activate, to soften the shift. One can change the springs and drill out the bleed holes in a valve body, so the transmission will shift very rapidly. The reason, this is generally not done, is because most people cannot handle the rapid jolt of a solid shift. It can also break parts in the drive train, from the shock.

Many of the very fast 1/4 mile drag cars use automatics. An automatic controlled transmission can shift faster than a human.

Here is an old (July 10, 2000) mostly stock DOHC 32V engine, 9 Second 91 mustang (Stock pistons and all) with an AODE aftermarket Baumannator controller.

http://www.alternativeauto.com/water...es/32v_lx.html

http://www.alternativeauto.com/water.../roadrace.html

http://www.alternativeauto.com/water...umannator.html

http://www.becontrols.com/products/tcs.htm
"The ManuTronic function allows manual gear selection via the original equipment speed control (cruise control) switches. This feature allows up and down-shifting through all four gears at any time, using the Accel and Coast buttons located on the steering wheel. Initiation of this mode requires pressing the Coast and Off buttons in sequence, allowing it to coexist with the speed control system while being mutually exclusive of it."

zerinS4

primetime

NICE! Didn't think I would see anything about Lid on here(Alternative Auto).... LOL He tunes our Mustangs! The orange car was more impressive then them.... No comment on the tranny debate!

WatchNut

PERFECT!