doctorno

Great response, quicksilver. Looks like AC brought a pocket knife to a gunfight :-}

NASA racer

hehehe I stand symantically corrected ;-)

NASA racer

I admire your efforts but facts are going to do little to deter BMW trollers.

seanh_race

if you saw an M3 and an RS4 sitting together in a parking lot, would you compare them? no probably not. they aren't very similar. i don't care how audi markets it. anyone with half a brain KNOWS that there are more differences then similarities between a station wagon and a coupe.

ACSchnitzer

because it is a coupe.
Your reasoning is flawed.
So the Vette is not a competitor with the 911 or the Mustang Cobra becaue it only seats 2?

Gop-Dogg

When will you guys ever accept the fact that the only car that can truely be fairly compared to the S4 is the E36 M3 4-door? The E46 version is a coupe and isn't even available here in the US yet. Based on quicksilver's almost unbelievably even-handed post below (concidering the usual "Audi is the greatest and those of you who dissagree are idiots" tenor of his S4 vs. M3 related posts), the numbers show that the cars are so evenly matched that the differences come down to mostly cosmetic details, which are a matter of personal taste, not fact.
Perhaps the only tactile category where the M3 wins outright is steering feel. But even then, what is "better" is still a matter of opinion. When the E46 M3 arrives, enthusiasts will be pleased because it IS a bad-*** car, no matter where your automotive loyalties stand. If BMW decides to release a 4-door version, most will be even more pleased. At that point, everyone will start comparing the E46 4-dr to the aging S4 and we will be stuck in this rut again, but from the opposite end. Are you guys really so insecure that you need to use your cars as measuring sticks? If so, I'm sure a few sessions of therapy will do you a whole lot more good than a new exhaust system.

seanh_race

come on! it doens't matter how many doors there are!

things that matter are the shape, total weight, weight distribution, overhang, wheel base, weight, etc...

the S4 and the M3 are pretty much the same in all those categories.

the RS4 and M3 aren't!

the wagon shape (changes air flow, raises center of gravity, etc), the extra weight, the extra weight BEHIND the rear wheels, etc. all make the a wagon alot different.

i would't even call the S4 and RS4 competitors.

here's a clue for you... if the RS4 came in both body styles (wagon, and non wagon) which would you comapre with the M3? the wagon? not if you had any sense. why? because they're DIFFERENET.

here's another clue. have you ever seen a comparo of the A4 and A4 avant? or S4 and S4 avant? or bmw 525 and 525 wagon? or volvo's car and wagon? no? me either. why? because they're different.

when it comes down to it... i can't even figure out why you think the RS4 and M3 are even close enoguh to be compared. because they are the fastest car each company makes? if that's it you need to include the prelude (honda's fastest car) and the storm (geo's fastest car) and the leganza (daewoo's fastest car)

seanh_race

they are all so different. one's a two seater (i don't count that thing in a porsche as a seat), one's a wagon, and one's a 2 door with a passble back seat.

who would narrow their three choices to those? noone. the only similarity i can see there is that all three are german, and all three are the fastest car that company happens to make.

THAT DOENS'T MAKE THEM COMPARABLE.

let's try that with japanese companies.

let's see we're gonna comapre the acura NSX, to the lexus sc-400, to the infinity q-45. woo hoo! that test is about as good as 911, M3, RS4.

let's keep going this is fun.

add the honda prelude, toyota celica, nissan maxima. three more very similar cars. (not)

try italian car companies. even funnier. and american ones? a hoot!

quickersilver

...my posts are certainly not intended to state or claim that, as you put it,
"Audi is the greatest and those of you who dissagree (sic) are idiots". In
general, I post in response to folks like ACschnitzel and 321 jackasses or
whoever who come in here for no other reason than to stroke their seemingly
fragile egos by claiming what superior cars bimmers are to Audis.

All I try to do is post simple facts to refute their mindnumbingly
repetitive claims that bmws are the greatest cars in the universe, and Audis do
not perform in the same league. I have absolutely *no* quarrel with someone
thinking that a bmw is a better car than an Audi. I *do* have a quarrel with
someone constantly coming into a forum intended to discuss the S4 and basically
trying to incite flame wars by slamming S4's, telling us our cars "aren't in the
same league" as theirs, and worse. And when they post outright lies, as in mr.
321 jackasses' false 0-100 km/h numbers for the RS4, or mr. ACschnitzel's claim
that the Audis are outperformed by the bmw's, I post the numbers to prove them
wrong. I don't think they're idiots because they drive bmw's; I think they're
idiots for constantly coming into this forum and posting flamebait. *That's*
the difference. You don't see me flaming Leepym3, because he doesn't post lies
and flamebait. He likes his m3 better than S4's, but can post it in a polite
manner, without telling us we're idiots for driving S4's, that S4's "aren't
in the same league" as his m3, etc...

I *personally* think the S4 is more fun to drive, more luxurious, and a far
better value than the bmw's I've driven, but you won't see *me* going over to
bummer.org and trumpeting the S4's virtues and the m3's faults every time
someone over there claims to like bimmers better. Why? Because if someone
loves their bmw better, it is of *no* consequence to me. I am happy with my
decision, I love my car, and don't feel the need to validate it. I am also
mature enough to realize that the my personally liking the S4
better doesn't mean that anyone who picks an m3 or some other performance sedan
over the S4 is an idiot. Unlike our trolling friends, who it seems can only
feel good about their cars by belittling cars which they see as competition and
their owners (this despite their rather hollow claims that the S4's are "no
competition", which is the most laughable claim they make; if this were true,
why would they actively seek out the S4 board, rather than, say, the Pontiac
Grand Prix board, a car which truly *is* no competition to the m cars, and post
their flamebait *there*? Clearly, they are here because they *do* see the S4
as competition, and feel the need to stroke their egos and reaffirm their choice
to by a bmw with pathetic attempts to insult us and our cars).

And that's about as much time as I care to spend on this. :-)

Rantter

..Nurburgring, the M3 is indeed better in every respect. Oh unless you want to get picky and into; servicing costs, resale values, fit and finish, quality of interior materials, wet road handling, no to mention exclusivity.

But the kings new clothes are magnificent I would agree ;-)