advice on adding AWE or Autospeed Exhaust manifolds
02-11-2004, 09:09 AM
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Todd, don't be flattered... Our manifolds will blow away the competition no pun intended :]
I'm tired of your cheap shots Mr. Godfather of S4 tuning. Who is fooling who here? We had manifolds on the market a full year before you guys did.
Yes we changed our collector to be a one piece design, it is triangular in shape, if I had my way I would continue to use the original 3->1 merge but a simple matter of fact is it is extremely difficult to make, unlike your split tubes and pie shapes design with welds aplenty.
Be honest, you use smaller than head port diameter tubing so you can fit them in the environment you have. Thats a smart manufacturing move, but don't pawn it as an advantage for making power.
We port match and utilize the same tubing diameter throughout. Our manufacturing procedures enable our manifolds to repeat without any error.
How many different tubular manifolds have been made for this platform? You know the constraints well, don't act as if there are a lot of options.
You want to go toe to toe, then post some high res pics of your workmanship, I will gladly do the same.
The next few months at the track will be interesting. There will be a new sheriff in town =)
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Yes we changed our collector to be a one piece design, it is triangular in shape, if I had my way I would continue to use the original 3->1 merge but a simple matter of fact is it is extremely difficult to make, unlike your split tubes and pie shapes design with welds aplenty.
Be honest, you use smaller than head port diameter tubing so you can fit them in the environment you have. Thats a smart manufacturing move, but don't pawn it as an advantage for making power.
We port match and utilize the same tubing diameter throughout. Our manufacturing procedures enable our manifolds to repeat without any error.
How many different tubular manifolds have been made for this platform? You know the constraints well, don't act as if there are a lot of options.
You want to go toe to toe, then post some high res pics of your workmanship, I will gladly do the same.
The next few months at the track will be interesting. There will be a new sheriff in town =)
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02-11-2004, 09:29 AM
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Both look like great products. Whether one is superior ...
VS another maybe getting down to the small details but it would be nice to see what both products are capable of when it comes to KO4 spool up time, how well it evacuates and if reversion is an issue in either design.
I know this maybe asking much but it would be good to see what both Exhaust manifolds can do on a dyno, with no other changes to the car. I've senn Corey's and while it is very informative and some good information can be pulled from it, it isn't entirely conclusive.
What guarantees come with the product, Warranty ? etc etc.
Not liking the idea of ceramic coating the stockers, weren't they designed to handle RS4 HP while at 375 is good can it handle exhaust from an engine producing 500 HP or 550HP +
I know this maybe asking much but it would be good to see what both Exhaust manifolds can do on a dyno, with no other changes to the car. I've senn Corey's and while it is very informative and some good information can be pulled from it, it isn't entirely conclusive.
What guarantees come with the product, Warranty ? etc etc.
Not liking the idea of ceramic coating the stockers, weren't they designed to handle RS4 HP while at 375 is good can it handle exhaust from an engine producing 500 HP or 550HP +
02-11-2004, 09:43 AM
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Slazak, you have no shame.
Evolution of the Speedtech/Autospeed manifolds, born February, 2002:
merge collector suddenly becomes anti-reversion in late 2003
painted coating suddenly becomes Swain Tech in mid 2003
Hmm.
Evolution of the AWE/McNeil Competition manifolds, born December, 2001:
Same as original configuration to this day, with anti-reversion collectors and Swain Tech coating.
Every single weld is ground smooth internally, as on all the AWE/McNeil Competition products.
Waiting with baited breath to see the new "sheriff" in town this season. Amazing that it only took you two years to maybe build something that can beat us (or so you claim...).
That's enough wasted time on you. Bye.
merge collector suddenly becomes anti-reversion in late 2003
painted coating suddenly becomes Swain Tech in mid 2003
Hmm.
Evolution of the AWE/McNeil Competition manifolds, born December, 2001:
Same as original configuration to this day, with anti-reversion collectors and Swain Tech coating.
Every single weld is ground smooth internally, as on all the AWE/McNeil Competition products.
Waiting with baited breath to see the new "sheriff" in town this season. Amazing that it only took you two years to maybe build something that can beat us (or so you claim...).
That's enough wasted time on you. Bye.
02-11-2004, 09:48 AM
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Lifetime warranty on our headers.
Tough to guarantee absolute performance gains, as gains are relative to your performance level.
We have documented at the very least a decrease of 2-300 rpms turbo spool up time vs OEM regardless of turbo kit. With our RSK04 turbo kit running ~20 psi at redline, the gains post peak vs OEM are most substaintial, on the order of 15hp at 6750 rpms. With less boost at that rpms, you'll most likely see less gains.
We have documented at the very least a decrease of 2-300 rpms turbo spool up time vs OEM regardless of turbo kit. With our RSK04 turbo kit running ~20 psi at redline, the gains post peak vs OEM are most substaintial, on the order of 15hp at 6750 rpms. With less boost at that rpms, you'll most likely see less gains.
02-11-2004, 10:06 AM
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Hey Sager, I have nothing to be shameful about...
Nice delusional timeline.
Lets not forget, McNeil and Weaver were SpeedTech. We were designing manifolds when McNeil was still at SpeedTech!
Designing and Building great products is an art and a science. But you do not know anything about that, before McNeil you made nothing. Now because of your pocket book you attach your name to his creations and claim yourself as a fabricator.
We make revisions for various reasons, sometimes to make the product easier to manufacture, but mostly to improve them. We never cut corners and sacrifice quality, after all you know that. You know that we probably put too much detail into a design, huh?
In regards to taking two years to build a car that will showcase our talents. Yes, it has taken about a year to put our car together. All of our products are way over engineered and pondered over. But be sure that our customers reap the benefits of our extensive R&D on each of those products.
Like I said, I wholeheartedly look forward to this season, it will be enlightening to say the least.
Lets not forget, McNeil and Weaver were SpeedTech. We were designing manifolds when McNeil was still at SpeedTech!
Designing and Building great products is an art and a science. But you do not know anything about that, before McNeil you made nothing. Now because of your pocket book you attach your name to his creations and claim yourself as a fabricator.
We make revisions for various reasons, sometimes to make the product easier to manufacture, but mostly to improve them. We never cut corners and sacrifice quality, after all you know that. You know that we probably put too much detail into a design, huh?
In regards to taking two years to build a car that will showcase our talents. Yes, it has taken about a year to put our car together. All of our products are way over engineered and pondered over. But be sure that our customers reap the benefits of our extensive R&D on each of those products.
Like I said, I wholeheartedly look forward to this season, it will be enlightening to say the least.
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