I should know this. Can TIP trannies handle Stage 3 power, or is L10 required?
11-25-2005, 04:52 PM
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I have been running 2+ (which is not 3) for some time and only wrecked the trans after a
dented/damaged pan.
Could I go 3 and live to tell? I'll never know. I'm 2+ and holding. Next mod is a 993.
Could I go 3 and live to tell? I'll never know. I'm 2+ and holding. Next mod is a 993.
11-25-2005, 05:34 PM
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L10 complete rebuild not required!...
If you've got the engine and tranny out for the K04s, an upgraded torque converter makes a lot of sense. If you had a 6spd, you'd replace the clutch and presure plate, right? An upgraded TC provides the ability to manage increased torque and provides better performance. Several companies now make upgraded TCs for the 5HP19 tranny - L10, IPT, 2 Bennett.
After the TC, the next potential problem area is the valve body. If this goes, its relatively easy to replace while the tranny is in the car. Replace it when you need to.
The next areas to be concerned about are the tranny internals - clutch packs, hard parts, etc. There seems to be little, if any, evidence that these parts fail due to increased hp/torque. That said, how you drive the car can place very different demands on the tranny. If you're in to hard launches, the potential to damage the tranny is higher. If you want the ultimate Tip tranny, L10 or 2 Bennett can rebuild your tranny to manage 500+ hp.
As mentioned in other posts, many are running stg 3 on stock or minimaly upgraded Tip trannys without problems. As with a manual tranny, ask yourself how much hp/torque are you really going to run and how are you going to run the car? If you're going for max power and spend your weekends at the strip or will be doing lots of hard launches, it doesn't matter if you have a Tip or a manual, you're going to spend a lot on tranny rebuilds. If, on the other hand, you're planning on stg 3 or 3- power and don't abuse the car, take the appropriate precautions, e.g. TC, and possibly VB, and replace or rebuild as necessary.
After the TC, the next potential problem area is the valve body. If this goes, its relatively easy to replace while the tranny is in the car. Replace it when you need to.
The next areas to be concerned about are the tranny internals - clutch packs, hard parts, etc. There seems to be little, if any, evidence that these parts fail due to increased hp/torque. That said, how you drive the car can place very different demands on the tranny. If you're in to hard launches, the potential to damage the tranny is higher. If you want the ultimate Tip tranny, L10 or 2 Bennett can rebuild your tranny to manage 500+ hp.
As mentioned in other posts, many are running stg 3 on stock or minimaly upgraded Tip trannys without problems. As with a manual tranny, ask yourself how much hp/torque are you really going to run and how are you going to run the car? If you're going for max power and spend your weekends at the strip or will be doing lots of hard launches, it doesn't matter if you have a Tip or a manual, you're going to spend a lot on tranny rebuilds. If, on the other hand, you're planning on stg 3 or 3- power and don't abuse the car, take the appropriate precautions, e.g. TC, and possibly VB, and replace or rebuild as necessary.
11-25-2005, 05:57 PM
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Re: I should know this. Can TIP trannies handle Stage 3 power, or is L10 required?
ZF engineered this tranny for 340 lbs/ft.of torque. Can you put more through it?...sure. How much and for how long?...StreetCrawler is right...nobody knows. Just know that anything beyond 340 lbs is going to over-stress the engineered capacity.
11-25-2005, 05:59 PM
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Do a search and you'll see that the Tip is rated only for ~ 310 lb./ft. of torque max, and Stage 1
is theoretically 368 lb./ft. of torque for GIAC X.
I'm not bashing on Tips. I own one. I'm just saying that I personally feel Stage 1 is already pushing it.
I agree with you that there seem to be fewer Tip failures than stick failures. But that still doesn't mean the stock Tip can safely handle Stage 3.
I'm not bashing on Tips. I own one. I'm just saying that I personally feel Stage 1 is already pushing it.
I agree with you that there seem to be fewer Tip failures than stick failures. But that still doesn't mean the stock Tip can safely handle Stage 3.
