S4 / RS4 (B5 Platform) Discussion Discussion forum for the B5 Audi S4 & RS4 produced from 1998-2002

sidespar: here's a quick rundown on the timing belt

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 02-03-2008, 06:58 AM
  #1  
AudiWorld Super User
Thread Starter
 
davenew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 7,825
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default sidespar: here's a quick rundown on the timing belt

The cam gears turn the cams which move the inake and exhaust valve up and down in the cylinders. The crank is attached to the pistons, which also move up/dn in the cylinders. If the valves or pistons move while the other one doesn't.. one will bend.. and it won't be the pistons. Some old-school engines have enough clearance so the pistons will never hit the valves but ours isn't one of them.

The cam bar locks the two banks of valves together timing-wise. IF you rotate the crank too far with the valves locked in place, the pistons will move and (with enough force) could bend the valves. That's why you should also install the crank locking pin, because it locks the crank into the proper clocked position that matches the position of the valves when they're locked in by the cam bar.

I see you made match marks on the sprockets and belt but why didn't you also match mark the timing belt to the crank? It's not recommended but you can do it that way. IF both sprockets and the crank are marked to the belt you can reinstall the same belt and not screw anything up. The only problem with doing it that way is you have no idea if your cam timing (relative to each bank or the crank) is right on the money. You are pretty much trusting that whoever did it the last time set it properly, and that the belt hasn't stretched.

Since you didn't mark the belt to the crank you really need to get a crank locking pin and get it right. If not, at least try to align the crank and get the belt on, then turn the engine slowly by hand to be sure nothing hits. That job could get very expensive for you in short order.
Old 02-03-2008, 07:02 AM
  #2  
Member
 
visintainer  [vis]'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,534
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default here is some more good info for you

<ul><li><a href="https://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/2045042.phtml">DIYer timing belt job follow up post. [more inside]</a></li></ul>
Old 02-03-2008, 07:16 AM
  #3  
AudiWorld Super User
 
sidespar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 18,558
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Thanks for the info. I've got the crank pin, I just can't find where to install it.

The pic in the Bentley isn't helpful at all.

Someone said by the drain plug, but I don't see anything by it.
Old 02-03-2008, 07:20 AM
  #4  
Member
 
visintainer  [vis]'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,534
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default i took a pic

<img src="http://enformulation.com/vag/s4/images/turboswap/turboswap0046.jpg" />
Old 02-03-2008, 07:38 AM
  #5  
AudiWorld Super User
 
sidespar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 18,558
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default ok i found it, but there is absolutely no way i can get my fingers to it.

any hints?
Old 02-03-2008, 07:46 AM
  #6  
Member
 
visintainer  [vis]'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,534
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

loosen the lower pressure pipe going to the intercooler
Old 02-03-2008, 07:47 AM
  #7  
Junior Member
 
Chaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,760
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default I unbolted the charge air pipe from it's mounting bracket and also unbolted the rigid AC lines...

...from their bracket on the passenger side. This allowed me to get my girly little hand in there to start the locking pin. Then a series of wobbly extensions or perhaps a U-joint on the ratchet to turn the locking pin the rest of the way in. Yeah, it kinda sucks.

When you reinstall the plastic cap, put the O-ring in its seat first (being careful not to push it into the block!), then push the plastic plug into and through the O-ring. More wobbly extensions and/or U-joint to tighten the plug's retaining bolt. I think I actually used the extensions without a socket to push the plug into place first.
Old 02-03-2008, 07:50 AM
  #8  
Member
 
visintainer  [vis]'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,534
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default i used one of theses on the plug and crankpin

<img src="http://secure.data-comm.com/stores/GL/catalog/3LU42.JPG" />
Old 02-03-2008, 08:09 AM
  #9  
AudiWorld Super User
 
sidespar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 18,558
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default Is this all the way in?

I was able to screw it in by hand then tighten it with a wratchet. It won't go any farther than this. Is this the way it's supposed to look, or am I not at TDC?

<img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/12726/100_0455.jpg">
Old 02-03-2008, 08:13 AM
  #10  
Member
 
visintainer  [vis]'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,534
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

that looks farther than i got mine in. try turning the crank a little - should be locked if in


Quick Reply: sidespar: here's a quick rundown on the timing belt



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:26 AM.