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05-07-2005, 07:33 AM
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Then what would you call it mr car expert?
A frame is not exclusively a seperate part that goes full length like on a pickup. Unitized bodies have "frame" sections. Pull your motor out and you will see "frame" Not just body.<ul><li><a href="http://www.autopi.com/frame.htm">10 seconds of net searching came up with this.....click here!</a></li></ul>
05-07-2005, 09:07 AM
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Relax and read your own "research" again...
This shouldn't be a game of symantics. Unibody or unitized construction cars do have some frame-like support and crossmember components, but they aren't frames.
Oh... and for the record, I've had the motor out of my own S4s a total of four times. Indeed there are support rails and two component cross braces which are called "front subframe" and "rear subframe", but there is no frame, proper. That's what makes the crumple zone construction work. The "hard parts" don't give, and the "soft parts" absorb impact energy.
Have you ever had the body off of real "on frame" car? It's quite a different beast.
The following is cut and pasted from your link:
The news magazine "60 Minutes" reported on unibody vehicles that were collapsing in low speed crashes (30 mph) and killing the occupants. These vehicles were previously frame damaged and put back on the road again. A unibody vehicle, with previous frame damage, will have substantially weaken or compromise the structural safety of the vehicle. The only way to determine the structural safety of a repaired frame vehicle, is to wreck the vehicle again, and see if it survives.
See... Even they call those frame damaged unibodies.
Oh... and for the record, I've had the motor out of my own S4s a total of four times. Indeed there are support rails and two component cross braces which are called "front subframe" and "rear subframe", but there is no frame, proper. That's what makes the crumple zone construction work. The "hard parts" don't give, and the "soft parts" absorb impact energy.
Have you ever had the body off of real "on frame" car? It's quite a different beast.
The following is cut and pasted from your link:
The news magazine "60 Minutes" reported on unibody vehicles that were collapsing in low speed crashes (30 mph) and killing the occupants. These vehicles were previously frame damaged and put back on the road again. A unibody vehicle, with previous frame damage, will have substantially weaken or compromise the structural safety of the vehicle. The only way to determine the structural safety of a repaired frame vehicle, is to wreck the vehicle again, and see if it survives.
See... Even they call those frame damaged unibodies.