What is the "safest" chip for someone on a lease and dosn't want to blow turbos?
02-15-2002, 10:36 AM
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Well, in one respect, he's right...
APR does have the same relationship with Audi that Dinan has with BMW: install their stuff, and your warranty is gone.
There is NO relationship between Dinan and BMW. Zero. In fact, BMW is *very* strict about it... any Dinan parts and you effectively have no warranty, even for unrelated problems on the same systems in the car.
Scottsdale Audi sells them, they charge a surplus on it and as a result, they'll cover things Audi doesn't cover -- the exact same thing Dinan does (if you buy the coverage -- which is mega $$$).
There is NO relationship between Dinan and BMW. Zero. In fact, BMW is *very* strict about it... any Dinan parts and you effectively have no warranty, even for unrelated problems on the same systems in the car.
Scottsdale Audi sells them, they charge a surplus on it and as a result, they'll cover things Audi doesn't cover -- the exact same thing Dinan does (if you buy the coverage -- which is mega $$$).
02-15-2002, 10:36 AM
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rereading, I don't think LCP meant it harshly... DINAN has a very different relationship...
They work in conjunction with BMW and *they* will pay for repairs that go beyond what warranty will cover in the event of a problem. So, they are tied in after the sale.
With APR (currently, as I understand it) they work with (a) dealer(s), and the dealer charges you more for the product than if you bought it direct from APR, but that money is used in turn to pay for the cost of providing you with warranty coverage. APR does not get involved after the sale. The dealer is merely a distributor that then provides whatever warranty & pricing they see fit. I think you can buy any APR products through them, including a Stage3 kit for a 1.8T
) That's how I understand it, and I only know of Scottsdale Audi which is listed on APR's site:
<img src="http://www.goapr.com/images/dealer_map2.gif">
Scottsdale Audi
6855 East McDowell Road
Scottsdale, AZ 85257
tel: 480.941.0000
Pricing and Parts:
Email: gluna@unitedauto.com
Technical Support:
Email: dchernis@unitedauto.com
With APR (currently, as I understand it) they work with (a) dealer(s), and the dealer charges you more for the product than if you bought it direct from APR, but that money is used in turn to pay for the cost of providing you with warranty coverage. APR does not get involved after the sale. The dealer is merely a distributor that then provides whatever warranty & pricing they see fit. I think you can buy any APR products through them, including a Stage3 kit for a 1.8T
) That's how I understand it, and I only know of Scottsdale Audi which is listed on APR's site:<img src="http://www.goapr.com/images/dealer_map2.gif">
Scottsdale Audi
6855 East McDowell Road
Scottsdale, AZ 85257
tel: 480.941.0000
Pricing and Parts:
Email: gluna@unitedauto.com
Technical Support:
Email: dchernis@unitedauto.com
02-15-2002, 10:44 AM
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Agreed...that is dealer specific. Your "warranty" will not apply if you move to Chicago.
Let me clarify...If your dealer in Boston chooses to sell APR chips, they can, and they can absorb and warranty issues *in house*. They can not bill those warranty claims back to Audi, if they are caused by the chip. Now, if you move to Chicago, that dealer will not honor the other dealer's *in house* warranty. They will not even bill the Boston dealer for your work...they will most likely look to your for any payment for repairs caused by mods! If they are smart, they will call your old dealer, and see if they can bet the Boston dealer to mail out a check for the damages, but that's really and outside chance. You're pretty much stuck paying the repair bill, and THEN approaching the old dealer to see if you can work something out. The old dealer will naturally say, "If you brought the car to us in the first place, we would have taken care of you, but now, there is nothing we can do!".
Beware of chips sold through dealers...when they say warranty, it does not mean Audi of America bumper to bumper warranty, it means *their* warranty.
Beware of chips sold through dealers...when they say warranty, it does not mean Audi of America bumper to bumper warranty, it means *their* warranty.
02-15-2002, 10:50 AM
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Let's see, I've blown how many turbos on the APR chip?
Well, both my car and Sharon's car. I'm saying that the APR chip was necessarily at fault, cause I think you're at risk with any of the chips, but you never know!
02-15-2002, 10:57 AM
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Re: What is the "safest" chip for someone on a lease and dosn't want to blow turbos?
I bought my '01 S4 Avant Tip at Bellavia Audi in NJ and on the dealers' desks are brochures for PES Tuning in NJ. I was told by the salesman that at least they would warranty the car if it was chip/exhaust/tip chip...not much more than that though. Of course I would have to drive from Long Island to NJ to get service, but I guess it's worth it. I am going to PES next week to have the X chip/Tip chip installed, I'll let you guys know how it works out...I'm going to take a run at my friends 2002 M3 as soon as I get back...Good Luck.
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02-15-2002, 12:19 PM
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My dealer knows about my chip and others, does not care. ...
I have thte APR, and he is fully aware of it. Everything is under warrantty UNLESS they prove the chip cuased some failure. Thats pretty fair, IMO. Its also the law regarding after market parts.
No dealer can legally refuse warranty work on issues not related or caused by an after market part or its installation.
No dealer can legally refuse warranty work on issues not related or caused by an after market part or its installation.
02-15-2002, 12:28 PM
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Um, no thats a case of incorectly interpreting the law.
Magnuson-Moss deals with the use of aftermarket parts and services and them being tied to warranty conditions. You are allowed to use functionally equivalent non-OEM parts for your service (which is required for your warranty to be valid) and you can get the service done anywhere.
The law doesn't say, in any way shape or form, that they have to prove non-equivalent parts that were not installed as a part of normal maintennance caused a failure -- the two are totally unrelated.
Also, they don't have to prove a non-OEM part caused a failure to void your warranty if there is no charge for the service or parts. The fact that you get free scheduled maintennance means if you used a Fram filter and had engine trouble, you could have your warranty voided because you could've met your warranty requirements at no cost to you.
The law doesn't say, in any way shape or form, that they have to prove non-equivalent parts that were not installed as a part of normal maintennance caused a failure -- the two are totally unrelated.
Also, they don't have to prove a non-OEM part caused a failure to void your warranty if there is no charge for the service or parts. The fact that you get free scheduled maintennance means if you used a Fram filter and had engine trouble, you could have your warranty voided because you could've met your warranty requirements at no cost to you.