Cap'n Carl

I'm not surprised you beat an sc'd Solara off the line. No fwd car will match the S4's launch. If it was an auto Solara, you could even beat it from a roll, maybe. I have a 5spd. But if you'll re-read my post, you'll see we basically raced from a roll. As such, it came down to power vs. weight. Car A (assuming it was stock) weighed approx 3600 pounds (curb wt) and had 250hp. Car T weighed 3300 pounds, and had approx 280hp. While favoritism or pride might lead you to believe the heavier and weaker car would win, those with some knowledge of physics would expect Car T to win, from a roll.

XCCESS

I race the guy from start and rolling........I got to 120mph and he is no where near me...

XCCESS

Also your host power won't mean anything with out enough torque

Cap'n Carl

You've made a lot of assumptions:
1-That the Solara you raced had the same trans and mods as mine.
2-That the S4 I raced had the same trans and mods as yours.
3-That the guy you raced was driving well (used the right gear, etc).
4-That what happened in your race can be applied to what happened in mine.
5-That the guy you raced didn't let off before 120mph (I'm a chicken, I wouldn't go over 100).
6-That the S4 has more torque than my car. Back when I was only running 4.5psi of boost, my torque peaked at 216 lb-ft. At the wheels. It came on at 2000rpm, and stayed up to redline. I'm running 6psi now.

So can you come up with another explanation as to why a 250hp, 3600 pound car can outrun a 280hp, 3300 pound car from a roll?

Pleasanton 335

take gearing into account.....consider all factors before you tout the "physics lesson" thing....

Pleasanton 335

Yea.........a little thing called gearing.....ever heard of it?

Singletrack

Don't get pissed at me, I'm not insulting the S4.

-st

Pleasanton 335

I wrote that with the biggest smile on my face....(cause I was laughing my *** off)...but was by no means pissed.

The A6 is cool...but the same engine with 250 extra pounds is not very arousing.

I love the A6 body style....just think that I like the S4 a bit more...and would opt for the 4.2 in the A6.

Cap'n Carl

In many ways, I am ignorant. That's why before I'd claim the S4 had some magical gearing advantage, I'd compare the gearing between the two cars. Then, I'd make sure I know enough about torque multiplication for the comparison to be meaningful to me. Then, IF I saw a large advantage for the Audi, then, maybe, I'd think someone else was ignorant about gear ratios, but I wouldn't call them ignorant.

Here's the numbers, courtesy of Car and Driver:
Final drive ratio: Audi 4.11, Toyota 3.93
1st gear ratio: Audi 3.50, Toyota 3.23
2nd gear ratio: Audi 1.89, 1.91
3rd gear ratio: Audi 1.23, Toyota 1.26
Another factor: my tires are slightly shorter than the stock ones, which has the same effect as raising (numerically) my final drive ratio slightly.

I'll let you do the math. When you're done, and you've seen that the two cars are geared uncannily similar, especially in 2nd and 3rd in which the race took place, maybe you'll latch onto some other weak explanation that makes up for the Audi's 30 hp and 300 pound weight disadvantage. Hey, why don't you claim the S4 has far superior aerodynamics?

Singletrack

base helped handling. You might be able to find it if you look. Any reason you think that it's totally untrue? Just asking, I don't have any handling stats in front of me for both cars.

Why do you say you would go with the 4.2? You know there's no stick right and it's actually a little slower off the line, although I'm sure it gains a ton of ground at higher speeds. In any event, this has been debated endlessly on the A6 board. I would have actually gone with the S4 but I fit a bit better in the A6 because I'm about 6'4 with the afro 6'9.


-st