Calling the knowledgeable on Anodize/Alodine coatings for aluminum... help please...
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Calling the knowledgeable on Anodize/Alodine coatings for aluminum... help please...
My FMIC is currently at what is supposed to be a top-notch anodizing facility, as I want it to be stealthy black instead of silver. I was hoping to surprise you guys with pics, but I need some advice before I have them coat the part. They aren't very helpful.
First of all, they can't dip the IC to coat it with the inlets/outlets capped, so they have to coat the whole thing inside and out. I suppose thats fine if the coating doesn't degrade inside over time and get sucked into my induction path. Unfortunately, they can't say what will happen, other then that the coating won't ever flake.
I called Terry Griffin, (Griffen Motorwerke) and he suggested an Alodine coating, as it is supposed to help dissipate heat. I'm not sure if I can get it done in black, however, and again I worry about having the inside coated with anything.
So what do you guys think? Can I safely coat the IC inside without fear of what might end up in the engine over time? Also, can anyone tell me how hot an IC can get? (max temps.)
First of all, they can't dip the IC to coat it with the inlets/outlets capped, so they have to coat the whole thing inside and out. I suppose thats fine if the coating doesn't degrade inside over time and get sucked into my induction path. Unfortunately, they can't say what will happen, other then that the coating won't ever flake.
I called Terry Griffin, (Griffen Motorwerke) and he suggested an Alodine coating, as it is supposed to help dissipate heat. I'm not sure if I can get it done in black, however, and again I worry about having the inside coated with anything.
So what do you guys think? Can I safely coat the IC inside without fear of what might end up in the engine over time? Also, can anyone tell me how hot an IC can get? (max temps.)
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Evan, verify with the anodize shop that there will not be any reaction with the....
solder/braze where the fins meet up with the large end caps.
You said that the whole unit is aluminum??? can you verify that with Forge???
Find out if the cross fins are welded or glued in place. If they are glued, I would not proceed with the anodize as the process is fairly invasive as it actually etches the surface and then electrochemically deposits the material that is the anodize. I would doubt that the epoxy would survive the process or be reliable over the long run.
Alodine is a easier and less invasive process, but it is not designed to be an external coating.. ie it will fade and wash away over time... I'm not sure how any adhesives would react to it... you will have to find that out from the plater....
Now if the unit is ALL aluminum with welded fins, there should be no problem with dipping the whole unit. Did they say why they cannot do only the outside? Is it because it is too bouyant to submerge??? did they think of filling it with water and sealing the ends to keep it filled and the water out of their tank???
Give me a call if you want to discuss this more....
You said that the whole unit is aluminum??? can you verify that with Forge???
Find out if the cross fins are welded or glued in place. If they are glued, I would not proceed with the anodize as the process is fairly invasive as it actually etches the surface and then electrochemically deposits the material that is the anodize. I would doubt that the epoxy would survive the process or be reliable over the long run.
Alodine is a easier and less invasive process, but it is not designed to be an external coating.. ie it will fade and wash away over time... I'm not sure how any adhesives would react to it... you will have to find that out from the plater....
Now if the unit is ALL aluminum with welded fins, there should be no problem with dipping the whole unit. Did they say why they cannot do only the outside? Is it because it is too bouyant to submerge??? did they think of filling it with water and sealing the ends to keep it filled and the water out of their tank???
Give me a call if you want to discuss this more....
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Damn Ted, you're on top of this stuff...
exactly the items I've been discussing with the shop.
For starters, I'm going to pick up the unit from the place that has it now, because I perceive them to be idiots. Then I'm taking it to a place here in Fremont... they were much more knowledgeable/helpful, and will be happy to evaluate the job. They asked me the same exact questions you did... so we'll see what they say when they have the IC in front of them. If they are hesitant, then it stays silver.
Thanks!
For starters, I'm going to pick up the unit from the place that has it now, because I perceive them to be idiots. Then I'm taking it to a place here in Fremont... they were much more knowledgeable/helpful, and will be happy to evaluate the job. They asked me the same exact questions you did... so we'll see what they say when they have the IC in front of them. If they are hesitant, then it stays silver.
Thanks!