Honda and TT... which is faster?
02-14-2001, 11:01 AM
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Sensible and racing in the same thread? Hmm?
Racing other cars on the road isn't that sensible really. ;-)
...and yes, I enjoy seeing who's faster now and then.
...and I agree with others... you'll end up spending a good deal of money to get a 180 to the point where an S2k won't take you easily. Jenner should finish this thought off. ;-)
...and yes, I enjoy seeing who's faster now and then.
...and I agree with others... you'll end up spending a good deal of money to get a 180 to the point where an S2k won't take you easily. Jenner should finish this thought off. ;-)
02-14-2001, 11:32 AM
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I raced a Prelude SH, Intregra vtec and type R, Camry V6, Celica GTS, Civic turbo, never a S2k.
I did this in a controlled enviroment, except for the type R and the Celica.
<b>Prelude SH: what looks like to heavily modded. No turbo</b>
When we took off together, we were pretty much even. Up until he shifted to another gear and thats when I pulled ahead a car gap. When modded, can hold its own(against a stock 180 of course).
<b>Intrgra Vtec: Only saw coffee can exhaust. </b>
I had more torque though the power curve. No competition.
<b>Intrgra type R: Looks lightly modded</b>
On the highway, we were going downhill when he took off. I caught up a bit at about 100, but he started pulling away. At 120, there was a bit of uphill, he slowed down(or couldn't speed up anymore). Thats when I caught up a bit to him. Pretty fast.
<b>Camry V6(96')(friends car): intake, exhaust</b>
55mph-100mph, I'm constantly speeding up. 100+mph, he is faster. That VVTi is very nice.
<b>Celica GTS: Stock</b>
Even though it has 6spd, 180hp, and much lighter, we are still much faster. Only got to 60mph tho. I passed him on the 2 lane onramp,
<b>Civic turbo</b>
From 0-40mph, i'm ahead, from that point on, he was gone. Fastest out of all the cars!
<b>Prelude SH: what looks like to heavily modded. No turbo</b>
When we took off together, we were pretty much even. Up until he shifted to another gear and thats when I pulled ahead a car gap. When modded, can hold its own(against a stock 180 of course).
<b>Intrgra Vtec: Only saw coffee can exhaust. </b>
I had more torque though the power curve. No competition.
<b>Intrgra type R: Looks lightly modded</b>
On the highway, we were going downhill when he took off. I caught up a bit at about 100, but he started pulling away. At 120, there was a bit of uphill, he slowed down(or couldn't speed up anymore). Thats when I caught up a bit to him. Pretty fast.
<b>Camry V6(96')(friends car): intake, exhaust</b>
55mph-100mph, I'm constantly speeding up. 100+mph, he is faster. That VVTi is very nice.
<b>Celica GTS: Stock</b>
Even though it has 6spd, 180hp, and much lighter, we are still much faster. Only got to 60mph tho. I passed him on the 2 lane onramp,
<b>Civic turbo</b>
From 0-40mph, i'm ahead, from that point on, he was gone. Fastest out of all the cars!
02-14-2001, 11:52 AM
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Horsepower = torque x rpm / 5252 you can answer your own question if you study this formula.
Horsepower is a calculated value. Torque is a real, pysical rotational force. A dyno measures torque and RPM then calculates horsepower. Torque is what twists the tire, horespower helps us understand an amount or quantity of torque. An interesting bit of math trivia based on the formula I gave is that below 5252RPM any engine's torque will be higher than it's horsepower, above 5252RPM any engines horsepower will be higher than it's torque, just look at any dyno graph. Of course you may know that Mr Watt's *** (animal) was observed to lift 550 pounds per second or 33,000 pounds per minute. He published those observations and stated that 33,000 pounds of work per minute was equivalent to one horse power. SO, if we divide 33,000 by 6.2832 (Pi X a two ft cirle...one pound at one foot radius does 6.2832 foot pounds of work..thats moving one pound 360 degrees) we get 5252. Thus one foot pound of torque at 5252 RPM is equal to 33,000 ft pounds per minute or one horse power. If we only move at 2626 RPM that is 1/2 horse power. I like the example of a small toy electric motor that spins at 20,000 rpm yet you can stop it with your fingers to show why high rpm and no torque doesn't do much work. On the other side, a water wheel that spins @ 1/2 RPM may make 3000 ft pounds of torque but only 1/4 of a horse power. So you need both torque and rpm to make big horsepower #s. JIM
